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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KHiiTtt4w
dang, someone want to copy his jj onto my flashdrive? :D
This Philip K. Dick speech from 77 always hits me with this familiar uneasy feeling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDv8fm_R7g
Philip K Dick's speech is about a simulation that gets altered along the way, leaving the actors in it with some residual memories and/or deja-vu. Which is what he tells of having experienced.
Bostrom's theory - which Elon Musk is talking about in the first video - is different.
Bostrom says that: imagine first that humans don't wipe each other out or otherwise go extinct (nearby supernova, anyone) and keep developing technologically.
At some point in the future, humans would have enough computing power - say even something planet-sized - to simulate millions (billions) of human beings, each with thoughts, feelings, interactions.
So, if our descendants have that computing power, then they might be interested in running ancestor simulations.
If that is the case, then there could be millions (or more) of these simulations. if that is the case, then it is exceedingly likely that we are living in one of the simulations and not in "real" life.
Of course, there are a lot of ifs. Can consciousness be simulated? Would our descendants want to or even bother running ancestor simulations - what for? There are moral questions about running such simulations - each simulation generates tremendous suffering, starvation, murder, etc that is indistinguishable from reality for the participants.
I think these are interesting academic exercises, but unless we figure out how to "leave the Matrix", if there even is one, then we are stuck here (ie either in real life or in a simulation, can't tell), in which case, might as well make the best of it and be the best version of yourself.
I see nothing in your explanation that says these theories cannot intertwine. Plugging the Bostrom Theory into Valis seems quite possible to me.
Maybe they can. I haven't really read a lot on these topics. Presumably, though, each Bostrom simulation runs independently - with no interaction between separate simulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
A simulation being altered does not rely on interaction with other simulations. If say you remember the children's book being spelled Berenstein Bears it is possible that you have at some point jumped into a parallel simulation, the simulation you are living has been altered, you read a knock off version of Berenstain Bears as a child, or perhaps you smoked too much pot throughout your live and your memory is skewed...or perhaps there is a variable I have not considered. :)
IF we live in a simulation then what is outter space?
From what I recall, most simulation theories propose the entire universe is a simulation.
ridiculous extrapolation based upon the fact that all things have mathematical explanations. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
just because the conformal perspective exists doesnt mean there's.....nevermind :cool:
It is ridiculous to assume that the universe is a simulation if we are living in a simulation or it is ridiculous to think perhaps we are livng in a simulation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coonehh
its ridiculous to assume that because a mathematical explanation exists, then a half baked correlation that barely considers the totality should be regarded seriously. as if because of the mere fact that it could be calculated, then those calculations necessarily imbue the actual forces of nature, consciousness included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
its like when the idiots first measured the ozone hole and assumed that humanity's CFC production was entirely responsible for it, then some long time later they discovered there is a natural ozone destruction mechanism.
=understanding a bit of the process and making the "here be dragons" parts out of whole cloth, as it were.
Last I checked, CFCs do deplete the ozone and production has been phased out. Also, last I checked, researchers calculated that just storing information of about a couple of hundred electrons would require a computer memory that would physically require more atoms than exist in the universe....but then again these calculations could have been simulated. :)
outside the simulation? who knows. there is a theorie for the matrix movies (machines harvest human energy because human darkend the sky to get rid of machines): the "outside" of the matrix is another layer of simulation, to control the guys that try to escape. thats the reason why neo can use his force outside the matrix. i don't think we could ever know its a simulation, which makes it kind of a mindfuck. but if it would be human made, it would have flaws. wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
and considering the fast changes in computers from 1970 until today and considering that every highculture in history vanished... its nothing that could be proven right or wrong, like the existance of god(s)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins