Is BJJ dead-ish in MMA? I'd say its now the least effective aspect of the sport.
is the direct tweet from Jason's twitter didn't he use to be down with 10th planet ???
now to this what ever happen to him ??? any thoughts
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Is BJJ dead-ish in MMA? I'd say its now the least effective aspect of the sport.
is the direct tweet from Jason's twitter didn't he use to be down with 10th planet ???
now to this what ever happen to him ??? any thoughts
Man that's some bullshit, no one aspect of mma is more important then another. If chael sonnen was better at passing guard he could of finished silva and in that same fight silva saved his arse with bjj. People who say stuff like that confuse me every aspect of mma is important.
the thing about what happened with anderson and chael is on point. what the hell is he talking about? that's interesting that was his last tweet. did he not see what mark bocek did to hazelett recently or that badass kneebar that jim miller did to olveira? maybe he's been watching strikeforce with all those KOs that recently happened when henderson fought babalu...or the last WEC when pettis did that superman-cage type kick. those were all spectacular standup fights but doesn't mean shit especially with a bold statement saying bjj now the LEAST effective in the sport. wonder why he feels that way and that's true wasn't he training 10th planet? anyone know his rank if he has one?
I think what it comes down to is that bjj isnt used as much these days not because its not effective but because it has a bit of a stigma. I have seen plenty of matches where the crowd starts to boo when the fight stays on the ground to long and nothing interesting happens. Its not really bjj its more wrestling thats makes the ground game boring to some (i love a fight no matter where it goes personally). Its a lot differents from the days when Royce Gracie wiped the floor with everyone, now most people use bjj for a defense and not a main offense. This won't always be the case trends come in go in mma and right now we are seeing lots of wrestling and lots of standup im willing to bet there will be a time when bjj is all of a sudden dangerous again when a frest fighter comes around and rapes everyone with it
^excuse the spelling errors im a bit tired
What we see today in MMA is that people are better at defending against submissions then back in the day when Royce wrecked shop. Now, everybody trains jiu jitsu and defending against submissions, sweeps etc... is still part of jiu jitsu.
olivera was supposed to that guy, but maybe he let that get to his head :PQuote:
Originally Posted by podsandgods
^ maybe so but who knows. whatever the case may be its safe to say bjj isnt going anywhere people just have to learn how to use it in an mma context. Its strange but alot of the really awesome bjj guys out there arent competing in mma what gives?
All things aside, Jiu Jitsu has still proven to be more MMA effective than Judo and many other "aspects of the sport", imho.
10th planet jj isn't dead, because it is still new and the defense is still in the works.
Jason is a brown belt in 10th planet, and very good. Submissions will be back when 10th planet takes over, right now there is a bit of a dry spell.
Watch out for Denny, Scott, Sean, and all the Ronin's on the rise.
If wrestlers could just learn to pass the guard the ground game wouldn't be considered boring.
^yea i agree with that statement. Wrestling is sort of ruining mma imo
the thing that gets me is that chambers was down with 10th planet and 10th planet juijitsu for mma as for wrestling ruining mma i thing no ones has really figured it out like like bjj has been hence why guys like soto's , and hardy are running a muck in the ufc because they are doing jujitsu for mma and look at soto's last couple of fights he fought some really good wrestlers and either subbed them out or won buy decison and for chambers to talk shit about bjj is a slap in the face to me
Dude don't let one persons opinion be a slap in the face to you who cares what this dude thinks
whos saying he still isnt down with jiu jitsu, hes just saying its least effective aspect of the sport which isnt a completely invalid opinion. Sure, I dont agree with him. But I do think there is a lack of honestly great bjj guys in mma at the moment. Notice that many of the top bjj grapplers in the world at the moment dont compete in mma they compete in bjj only, which is ok it just doesnt do much for the sport as far as mma goes. Honestly its a shame but I dont really blame them just watch marcelo garcias mma fight and then think about things...
everything everyone is saying is pretty much true....but i'll say as far as wrastlin and jj being boring, it is because of the defenses that cause people to stale. you don't see too many pharmaceutical grade superheroes coming out doing what coleman, kerr, or old tito used to do which is legitimately use wrastlin to ground and pound these days...pretty much sonnen does it in ufc....and ya not too much outstanding combinations of people doing jits without getting caught up with a KO or some other exposed hole....hazlett, maia, and some others with almost being considered having suspect chins (maia looked good in his last fight though). anyways, i think the same can be same about people who clinch when standing up and herb dean has to seperate them..or those who ineffectively don't land clean punches throughout a fight IMO...nothing wrong with bjj or any of it, it's all on the shoulders and evolution of the fighter ;/
All it will take is for a couple of guys to put Jiu jitsu back on the map. I think too many fighters are being sucked into highlight reel knockout finishes. Punching someone in the face is the quickest way to do damage, but I still think using Jiu jitsu is the most intelligent way to fight.
its called mixed martial arts for a reason.
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Originally Posted by Jarrad Mckay
Try sending a guy into a ring/the cage with zero BJJ experience at all, and lets see how long he lasts against even guys with just the basics. You need to be well rounded, period.
I come on here a lot and am blown away at how things get taken out of context. Jason didnt say that BJJ sucks or is useless. He said that right now its the least effective. That means there are no real dominant BJJ guys doing mma. Relax
I see far too many people running from prone butt flopped fighters to believe Jason's comment.
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Originally Posted by Ericp
That guy is good but he don't know about the basics. You have the basics. You know the gi. You train with the gi. What you do you talk with thees. And you talk with thatch. But when you have the preparation, you not gonna lose. You don't needch thatch. Edgy tell you gonna wear thatch. Don't have to have thatch. You gotta have thees:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
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That's the gi. That's Jiu Jitsu.
-Renato Laranja
Jason is a good guy and a legit brown. He has respect for Eddie and 10th Planet. Just because he's not down with the system lately, doesn't mean we should bash him. Lets show some respect.
by all means i hope it doesnt sound we are all attacking him i just find it strange that a guy who knows the system knows the vision of what eddie is doing for jiujitsu in mma would come out and say that i mean some of the biggest fights this year where won buy jiujitsu (silva vs sonnen, lesner vs carwin ,fedor vs werdum ) all won buy submission i dont think i have seen a fight this year where if it went to the ground it didnt end up someone pulling guard my point being i dont under stand how its the least effective at all when its used quite alot to great effectQuote:
Originally Posted by NelsonLucca
Of the 1,163 UFC fights that actually took place:
•442 (38%) ended via KO or TKO.
•365 (31%) ended via submission.
•339 (29%) ended with a winner declared via decision.
•88 (7.6%) ended in less than 1 minute.
•447 (38.4%) happened in Las Vegas
are the stats as of ufc 100 from all ufc's since 01
i would like to know out of the 29 percent of decisions how many of those fights where wrestler vs wrestler compared to a bjj vs bjj and wrestler vs bjj and what those percentages are same with the submisson percentage
Here Here Brotha! Someone speakin some logic. Go to SD with the melodrama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ericp
BJJ is used, the thing is in modern mma it is often NEUTRALIZED by both fighters being experienced. SO though it doesnt look it theres bjj happening, there is bjj going on.
Also Modern MMA camps rely on keeping position and GnP to win fights. Cinching in subs in a sweaty near nude fight aint easy and it is seen as lower percentage. Why risk giving up position.