I like the draw :)
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I like the draw :)
I think edgar got 2,4, and 5. He stuffed a lot of maynards shots and I also gave the first round 10-8. I'm content with the draw and am glad to hear about the immediate rematch :)
I think the break down was
R1 Grey 10-8
R2 Frankie 10-9
R3 Grey 10-9
R4 Frankie 10-9
R5 to me could have gone either way but Frankie 10-9
Yup draw.
Im happy with the draw. I felt both fighters did great and put on a good show.
I think Grey did enough to win the split
I scored it a draw as well.
I'm totally pro-draw
drizzaw my nizzaw...they need to have sudden death rounds like a 6th round or something....you know like on the ultimate fighter even though it's 2 rounds if it's even wins for both fighters they have a 3rd....it might be worth doing in these title fights. ;/
I thought it would be scored as a draw as well.
A draw was fair,but as i said over on subs101...frankie showed he deserves to be the champion after not only surviving that first round,but in coming back the way he did
frankie edgar won 2.3.4.and 5
I don't think the first round could really be argued as a 10-7. It looked like a typical dominant 10-8 round. Edgar was bouncing around and still engaging by the end of the 1st. 10-8 was fair as was the final 47-47. I don't care for a rematch. I'd rather see Maynard test himself against Henderson to see who gets the winner of Frank and Anthony.
I like Frankie for the W. I think he showed superior strategy for the 2nd-5th rounds, and amazing heart coming back after that first. I'm of the opinion that judges should favor the current champ if it comes to points anyway. I think if you want the belt you should TAKE it ala Shogun Rua in the 2nd match againts Machida. As a side note, I'm REALLY glad we didnt have one of those split second referee stoppages, I was worried the ref was going to call it quickly in that first round.
stuffing takedowns does not score points. If he was DEFENDING the takedown that means he was on the defensive. For a takedown to be scored it has to be completed and actually do something, if the guy pops back up right away it's a moot takedown. Defending and/or getting back up right away doesn't give points.
I called a draw too everybody laughed since it was a tittle fight. Guess who was right lol I think it was a good call
i would have gove it to frankie over the five rounds but i would have stopped it in the first he got smashed like a crab wasnt nice to see him floundering like a fish out of water
i put money on this fight with two buddies and me and another friend were for frankie while the other was for gray. By the beginning of the 5th round i felt it might be a draw so long as nothing crazy happened and sure enough it was. I'm cool with it even if I didn't cash in
A draw or Frankie winning it, i think Edgar had 3 if not 4 of the rounds and I dont think you can take a title in 1 round of dominance (unless its a ko or submission)
I'm perfectly ok with a draw cause 1, I used to spend my summers in Toms River, New Jersey and 2, I love the way Frankie fights and 3, rounds 3 and 5 were close. But I would have scored it.
R1 10-7 Maynard
- Because in the first half of the round Frankie didn't land that many strikes. And in the second half of the round, Frankie spent it either getting knocked down, something like 5 times, or trying to survive by covering up, running, or fighting defensively. Him bouncing around and fainting punches doesn't score points the way I see it. He offer no significant offense for the second half. Check the Fightmetric stats and you see what I mean. We've all seen fights stopped for much less. But, I'm ok with 10-8 1st round for Maynard and because the ref is more like to stop a fight way before the score ever gets to 10-7.
R2 10-9 Edgar
R3 10-9 Maynard (close)
R4 10-9 Edgar
R5 10-9 Edgar (close)
My $0.02 :)
I Had Edgar Winning It. I Can See A Draw But Besides The First Round, I Don't Think Maynard Did Enough To Win The Fight. Edgar Came Back Amazing In The Second Round.
But surviving by covering up, running or fighting defensively is what you do when you've almost had your head punched off. Could you call if smart tactics to trade punches with Maynard after getting rocked so badly ?
freddy i think gray should fight george sotoropilos next not ben henderson...
Sure, absolutely, it was a very smart tactics (instinct), and I give Franky HUGE props for the heart he showed in that fight. By playing defense, he was able to give himself time recover enough to give Gray the fight of his life in the next four rounds. But, at the end of the day, it is a (sport) fight and, in my opinion, you don't score points by playing good defense. Like Dana White said, "10-7's are a unicorn," so, realistically, 10-8 was the proper score. Honestly, if I was one of the three judges, I probably would have been too chicken to score it a '10-7' round because of the "unicorn factor," so I would have scored it a 10-8. Anyway, it is what it is. I thought the fight was awesome, way better than I had expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy Chavez
Does anybody know of an MMA fight where a round was scored 10-7? I'd like to see what an official '10-7' round looks like. I can't think of one off the dome.
I think Nate Quarry got a 10-7 against a canadian . I forget who..He was on season 3 of tuf. I think if Frankie were on his back and still taking punches for the rest of round 1 then yes 10-7 is fair. But he wasn't so 10-8 was a better scoring.
You must be thinking of endurance marathon runner Kalib Starnes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy Chavez
From Wikipedia: "In his final UFC bout, he lost a unanimous decision to Nate Quarry at UFC 83 in Montreal Canada. Kalib spent the majority of the match circling, and trying to avoid fighting. The pro-Canadian crowd began cheering for the American, Quarry, and booing Starnes, the Canadian, loudly. Quarry even began mocking his opponent towards the end of the 3rd round by doing the 'Running Man' until the horn sounded. One judge scored the bout 30–24 in Quarry's favour, marking the second-largest margin of victory in UFC history."
30-24 is pretty bad.
Not seeing why everyone on the internet flipping about the draw. I watched it with my dad (former fighter), Both my coach's (former fighter and currant fighter) 2 guys from my jiu jitsu school (both fighters) and my mom (only fight on record, was some drunk chick who backed into her porsche, than tried to drive away.....she won, by the way)lol. My point.... we all yelled Holy Crap, that was a draw, as soon as the fight was over. So we all agree with the draw call as well.
Hate to disagree with you, but a takedown scores anytime you successfully take your opponent down. If he is able to stop any control beyond the initial takedown, then he as just got good abilities in getting back up, but he still got took down and the mark goes in the column. Thus why wrestlers must compete in jj matches at compatible skill levels in years. Otherwise they would dominate beginner divisions by just scoring takedowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by miketubbs
I think Edgar did enough to win. I was surprised and impressed he made it out of the 1st round. It does deserve another match though.
I scored it for Edgar, but very closely. Not unhappy about the draw, it was a great fight.
I scored it 48-46 for Gray.....But the rounds were close.
I was ok with the draw call too though.....But I wish they would just have Edgar and Pettis fight then give Gray the first shot at the winner of that fight.
I actually gave it to Edgar.
10-7 Maynard
10-8 Edgar
10-10
10-9 Edgar
10-9 Edgar
They compete at the same level because wrestling involves more than just takedowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by frank-theman-james
A takedown only scores when it is effective. If NOTHING else happened in a round then it could be said that the takedown was the factor, but that is not realistic. Think of the fight with Oliviera (can't remember the opponent) Oliviera gets taken down and within 15 seconds submits his opponent...who really benefited from that takedown?
They can't tie anymore.. used to be possible way back when but not anymore.. someone has to win the round.Quote:
Originally Posted by ericjr1982
Regardless i gave it to edgar as well but I can see a draw.
It should have went to sudden death overtime. Round 6!!!