http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6jc_9OzhI
The movie is called ip man. I watched it earlier and thought about all the times eddie said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6jc_9OzhI
The movie is called ip man. I watched it earlier and thought about all the times eddie said that.
ip man 2 killed it this shit is a bit reasonable but the other one is fucked it is more like crouching tiger hidden dragon.
I watched this awhile back. Awesome shit.
Lol, came across this video while watching the IP Man clip, haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXLIlNrYNA&feature=player_embedded
again, im gonna say it. if you practice some sticky hands and learn to roll over some punches it has a place.
Everything has a place if you train it properly imo.
I would LOVE to see wing chun in the UFC but it's hard to watch it in the movies :)
the posted videos show a style of fighting that is more a sort of jkd than wc kung fu. what you see is a lot of blocking, grapping and pulling that is not very common for the original soul of the wc system which is chi sao (the sticking arms or hands stuff). over the last decades when the system got popular there were just a few practitioners who interpreted and trained chi sao in an applicable way. They focused on reacting to feedback that is mainly generated from contact of the forearms and not on reacting to visual impulses or some holding and punching stuff. The idea is to always calibrate and recalibrate your actions – strike while staying in control of the action. Most wc practitioners think they could use their tactile-feedback-based reactions in a longer distance against strikers…
the reality is that it doesn’t matter how much you`ve trained this. Strikes are already way to fast to get in contact with em, get feedback and then react. The only way wc and chi sao can work is to put the pressure on your opponent, slowing down his movements and then react to them. That makes wc an option for the mount and even more for the clinch game at the fence. Of course chis sao has to be calibrated to a situation where monster wrestlers that don’t care about getting hit try to take you down while you`re trying to strike. But the potential is out there: I trained with one of the best wt practitioners on the planet and I can tell you that his clinch game (primarily his elbows) is way more dangerous than anything I’ve seen or experienced in Thai boxing. If those guys where in the ufc you`d see smashed orbital bones and cuts from the clinch at the fence all the time. Unfortunately it takes so much time and afford to develop such incredible skills that I don’t know if it’s worth the trouble to improve one or two positions. Perhaps that’s a reason why there is not high level wc practitioner in mma: there muy thay, wrestling, bjj and boxing is simply not good enough, cause there is no time to do it all. (and they make good money of people who believe they can fight just by absorbing and redirecting the energy of aggressive strikers and grapplers)
although the wt practitioner in the video below uses a lot of open-hand-strikes and just-controlling-positions to keep it slow and displayable, his demo puts some of the stuff I just wrote in pictures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaP1X-lEtgc
I agree with everything Dominik said. I think the hardest part in applying wc is maintaining bridge contact vs an explosive striker (e.g. a boxer). Your footwork is almost always going to be too slow to do this when responding to a snappy jab. wc is a product of it's environment. A lot of kung fu and karate leave the striking hand out, which enables the establishment of bridge contact.
like aikido, wc's most useful application (in my opinion) is for women's self-defence. guys seeking to dominate women tend to employ tactics which they wouldn't even consider vs someone with comparable strength; i.e. grabbing the wrist or some item of clothing. this creates the openings wc needs. vs a bloke - men generally strike or get a more comprehensive grip.
if you do find yourself in trapping range, then wc is by far the best ma to know (for that situation). but to have that level of usefullness takes a long time (bill cheung says at least 7yrs). the filipino martial arts (fma) are much more applicable to the western environment.
i read somewhere that the transformation western boxing underwent since the beginning of the century is due in large part to US sailors getting owned by much smaller filipinos (when looking for trouble on shore leave). the body mechanics are identical (turning the hips from the balls of the feet). the whole range of bobs, weaves etc, etc, are all accounted for in the fma.
eskrima, for instance, teaches the use of the stick, then the knife and then the hands. the hands are last, and easiest, because the body mechanics and angles are all the same. thus, eskrimadors don't seek the bridge/trap (like wing chun has to) they simply take it if available.
most of the trapping used in fma is initiated when facing the stick of knife. the reason being that people tend to commit muich more to a strike from a weapon then they do when striking with the hand.
i believe wc should not be a person's primary martial art, unless they are physically weak and only seek self-defence. i'm planning on returning to wc when i'm older, as it's usefulness will increase the frailer i look.
wing chun isnt a sport, thats why itll never be in the ufc. its a pub/street fighting art. were as you wouldnt use wing chun in the ufc, you wouldnt use mma in a pub, you'd just straight punch or jab them in the eye. its all jeet kune do, use what works. too many closed minds out there thinking mma will save them. fuck it, learn it all. stay black.:)
I studied wing chun back in the day, and here at the jkd institute we use some obviously (lop sao ect). In mount it would work. Maybe even close quarters but mma is a sport. Wing chun is more of a street art.
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you wouldnt use mma in a pub
What exactly, lets say typical mma training wouldn't help you in a street conflict? Why is Wing Chun more of a street art?
The man Ip man was about actually taught Wing Chun to bruce lee.
He was Bruce's teacher until Bruce moved to the states. Ip Man saved Bruce Lee from a jumping, while Bruce was walking home from school. Bruce Lee's father was a famous asian star and Bruce himself began acting at a very early age. His classmates were jealous of him and he used to get jumped everyday after school. He was a tough kid but he needed some direction. Ip Man provided that. JKD evolved from Wing Chun when Bruce realized that Wing Chun didn't work in a "mixed" environment. It had holes that needed to be filled. Boxing, fencing, judo, wrestling, savate, ect... Here we are today, in love with 10th Planet, which shares the same principals as JKD. Eddie, a modern day Bruce Lee. If it works, put it into the system. After all, Bruce was a pot head : )Quote:
Originally Posted by Dartangan Jackson