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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU
Great Video!
People always tell me that I can't complain if I don't vote. I always reply by saying, you can't complain if you voted. By voting, you knowingly giving your voice to someone else to speak for you & you can't complain when that person doesn't do what you want them to do because you gave your power to them.
Rogan is the man! Open your minds ignorant people!
You understand a representative democracy - way to go!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sparks
What's funny is that you think by not voting you're somehow doing something rebellious, then talking about people giving away their voice by voting, like participating in social order is stupid.
You have no voice when you don't vote either.
a "no vote" is a vote. there is no point in voting when your only choice is to vote for the lesser of two evils.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY_9nDszVjc
and for the record I agree with everything Joe is saying.
But you're also discounting all the local voting people do for elected officials where it does directly influence their life. Sure shit going on behind the scenes in Iraq isn't something we voted on, but telling everyone to not vote period is stupid. Lots of things people vote on in cities goes directly to law. Also, many representatives probably do what they can to represent the people as well as they can, it's by no means perfect, but our alternative is to tear up the constitution. I can totally understand the resentment, as I graduated with a political science degree and have became totally disenchanted with politics through the process.
Basically, the government and the controlling bodies are the ones to attack not normal people for voting.
why don't people in the us want health care thats what i can't figure out.
I don't think everybody should vote. If you don't care enough to be aware of local politics then there's no need to muck up the system with an ignorant decision. The less other people vote the more power my vote has.
but voting apples to dumb people because they just want there team to win they don't care if they both have the same sponsors, just like Nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans
Voting apples to dumb people?
I agree in theory. The reality is you would be telling droves of poor people they can't vote. Not very democratic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
thers NEVER been a '' Generation '' of americans that lived '' Without War '' Revolutionary, Civil, WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Desert storm 1, Desert storm 2, Afganistan, can anyone say '' Military industrial complex '' unfortunately Obama isn't ''Magic'' he's just a man, trying to make sense of Two Wars, A Childish Congress, A Half Retarded Public, Red Neck Fat Asses, who need but don't want healthcare !!??, & a broken system, & WEED isn't legal !!!
I forgot, When Obama called a meeting to discuss the future of Afganistan, with his advisors, Obama reccomended, withdrawing the army, & instead using counter intelligence , & precision strikes, his '' PUNK ASS GENRALS '' whent against him, like kids with new toys they can't stop playing with, make no mistake, most generals are '' Egomaniac War Mongerers '' becasuse the pvts do all the fighting. & in peace time generals are BORED
It seems from the time we are kids we are taught war, brain washing through "entertainment", a few examples, Cartoons, Cpt. America,GI Joe, Transformers, Voltron, Batman, Superman,(super hero's) this list could go on for days, it is ingrained in us through "entertainment" like Video Games and movies, "Media" that is controlled by the elite, that war is the answer, kill crush and destroy anyone who disagrees with you. When the "bad guy" dies everyone cheers. But who says who is the bad guy? Who has the right to say who's the bad guy? Me,you,the country? Who has the right to send hundreds of thousands young men to their death? Freedom isn't free..... but that just it, is it all really for $$$? That is disgusting! We are all humans no matter where we live and it is horrible that just for money and power people have to die... but will it change by knowing? probably not as long as greed rules...
What game did most of you wake up and play? How fun is Call of Duty, right? Americans are taught to take pride in the war machine because, as many of you said, it's our way into money. When shit doesn't go our way, we throw a hissy and start bombing it. And, as long as you support the idea in some way, they can keep doing it.
The only just wars are ones fought against true evil. In that sense, really only World War II was worth fighting, and in a sense, the Revolution (depending on how you look at it). Every other war shouldn't have happened. I mean, we are taught in school that the entire Spanish-American war was based on bull shit, and we gained a LOT from that war. And no one gives a fuck. You're taught to go "Oh well that's not right" and shrug it off as history. Maybe that's why they feel so safe doing it. Once it's old news and history, no one cares anymore.
Then again, by being a citizen of the US and taking advantage of what they offer you, you promise loyalty to whatever your government wants you to do. You don't get to live here for free, and if they decide to put your ass in the army, do you owe them that much? If your moral code means that you don't want to fight, should you move to a neutral country of non-violence? Lot of open debate there.
just saying Bush was your president and next election it will be Sarah Palin, there must be a reason for this unless im just imaging things.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
lets hope not for the '' Worlds '' sake,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans
Sarah Palin will never win the primary to become the Republican nominee.
She would have to run as an independent.
There aren't as many dumbfuck Tea Party people here as you think, she would receive a small percentage of the total vote.
I highly doubt she ends up on the ballot.
Ive always liked joes rogans thoughts, He reads up on alot of stuff and has tons of proven facts to back up his words. . Cant wait to see him on cnbc wrecking some politicians some day .
Oh no, I do have a voice when I don't vote. Mine just isn't as loud as the person that you gave your voice too. But when that guy starts doing whatever he wants & doesn't list to what his own people tell him, you have no voice because you gave your voice to him. I on the other hand can complain all I want because I kept my voice, I didn't trust my voice in the mouth of someone that I have never met & someone that I myself don't control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Gammel
For my idea to work, millions of people would have to not vote & start making moves. It will never happen because we the people are like demesticated animals. We rely on the government & we have weakened ourselves to much to stand up for ourselves. Our very animal instincts have been removed from us. The government tries to tell the people that we are are civilized society because we have removed so much of out animal instincts but in my opinion, that makes us weak. A majority of people just don't care about anything anymore, whatever the government gives them is fine, A majority of people that are educated know what the government gives them, has their disagreements & refuses to do anything about it & very few people are educated & still have the backbone to fight for what they believe in. I hope to be part of that small group no matter how strong the juggernaut looks.
I dream of a day when the world deletes Democrat & Republican from their vocabulary & off the Ballets. Then you'll just see 2 names & you either have to know the person & their politics that you're voting for or you'll just have to randomly pick one. That would help alot.
Look what sean hannity said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkDhzWYObNk
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1HS_ZR4Jrg
What a fucking ignorant asshole
You post youtube videos while you sit at home and think that is having a voice. When really, the ONLY voice is political participation, either through voting or rebellion. If a candidate doesn't do anything the people who voted for them say (constituency) they likely won't get re-elected. That's why we have elections every few years and not once every 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sparks
You're point that voters give their voice away while you somehow are holding onto your voice shows that you really have no realistic concept of politics at all. You have a fuck you" attitude and are too apathetic to really understand why the shit you are saying doesn't make any sense.
I agree that the bi-party system is screwed-up and isn't benefiting anyone.
But your "idea" wouldn't do anything.. Don't you see that? You don't think "millions" of Americans don't vote every election??
It doesn't matter, it only makes the votes of those who do stronger. Tons of people not voting isn't an idea. Everything continues as normal, only you think you've duped the government keeping your opinion (which matters nothing politically) to yourself.
You either change the system by voting (using the system), or you reinvent the system through revolution/action.
Neither of those options is thinking you're holding onto your voice, while doing absolutely nothing, and continuing to use all the services of the government you think is so dysfunctional and stupid.
I understand that not voting alone doesn't change anything. But that's what I will continue to do. I don't agree with you on the point of having a voice only if you vote because you gave your voice away by voting for them. Now they speak for you. I refuse to do so & understand that that alone changes nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Gammel
I've mentioned in other threads what I plan on doing with my life. I want to wake the people up, spark something in the people to get them to care & then educate them. After I educate them, that's when things are possible. After college, I plan on starting my own radio station, probably internet radio or subscription radio. I'll only be playing real rap music, not this dance music which is "in my opinion" dumbing down society. I also plan on discussing Combat Sports & Politics.
This will all start on youtube under my Gorilla Kingdom brand & once I finish college, I will move into radio. Those are my goals & my ideas behind "Changing the World." Continue to vote, it doesn't bother me. The reason that things will never change though isn't because of the politicians because they truly don't have the power, it's because of the almighty people that don't realize that they are almighty. The people used to believe that, now we all look at the government as to big & we cower, maybe someday we the people will get that back & realize our true power.
i think voting in a system you don't believe in is worse then not voting. but you should at least go to a protest once in awhile or vote on issues that you care about like legalizing pot.
Clearly most the people that vote have some "belief" in the system or they wouldn't take the time to vote.
Lack of transparency in high level government action is the problem, not the theory of representative democracy.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on how voting and having a voice work. Wish you the best.
I agree Tyler, why vote on anything besides legalizing weed, that's all that matters anyway, lol...