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rolling in class the other day i managed to get a knee bar on my partner from the russian cowboy (zog i know you'll read this your videos are sick cheers ) after our roll another guy came up to me and said i shouldn't have done that as white belts aren't permitted to do legs locks is this the unspoken rule at schools and in comps ????? or just my school
It is a normal thing that schools don't let the lower belts do leg locks. The main reason is that they do not have control or enough tech (normally) to do them without injuring there partner. If the instructors goes over them and say it is ok then go for them. If not you should leave it alone. If you are the exception talk to your partner before you roll and ask them if they are ok with catch and release. That is the safest way I have found to get proficient with out the danger of hurting your partner in the beginning.
thats the dark side of the force.
our only rule is no heel hooks till blue, otherwise all submissions are fair game. Which is great because I'll jump on a leg with a quickness.
We aren't supposed to do any twisting leg/foot locks at low belts, my gym goes on the competition rules of you aren't allowed to do them till you are brown or black belt. Straight leg locks and knee bars are fair game though
It's a very common rule among most schools. I understand why it's in place, but some schools take it too far.
I think most places have the rule of no leg locks till blue. I know the Gracie Academy's rule is you can have at leg locks, but you cant apply pressure, but they arent supposed to spar till blue anyway. I think it should be like every other submission, if the other guy doesnt know the sub, dont execute it (because they might not tap), and execute all subs very very slowly. (Im speaking about gym training, tournament is another deal)
what's the 10th planets rule on this.
It's very likely not an "unspoken" rule, but actually an official written rule.
This was the the way the traditional gym I trained in operated.
No such rules at my gym, white belts sittin back on heel hooks because they can get a quick tap from it. They aren't taught very often so that's nice but when they are there is a rash of white belts thinking they need to be promoted when they get a few taps.
That's pretty much the rule around here. You can attack with any leg lock entry but you can only obtain and hold the position for twisting locks; no applying the finish until you're a blue belt (catch and release). Straight locks like kneebars and straight ankle locks are fair game as are knee compressions like the turkey wrap, ham sandwich, etc. The rule with any submission in general is "don't do anything I haven't shown you" (though that gets a little more permissive as you progress and coach knows you have the control to not hurt anybody). If they don't even teach plain straight leg locks to white belts it's probably not a good idea to attempt them at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GBurton
I show all the leg locks so people are familiar with them but I also explain the damage they do and why they're not allowed to do twisting leg locks until they can demonstrate control. I think straight ankle locks and kneebars are fair game for beginners, but heel hooks/inverted heel hooks and toe holds should be used at DRILLing speed only, until your experience warrants your use of those techniques in competition. I try to stress pretty frequently that cranking a twisting leg lock will require SURGERY to fix and that you will be putting your buddy out of comission for a long time. I've had my knee popped via inverted heel hook b4, not fun :(
This biggest issue with leg locks is ignorance. The more you ignore them, the greater the potential for injury. Many people fail to understand the importance of positioning while attacking the legs, without control injuries will happen. Have you ever seen this situation or similar? Partner #1 attempts a kimura without position and the two guys roll across the mat until they bump into someone,a wall or a cage and then it gets cranked on from a awkward position, causing something to get tweaked?
The focus on leg attacks should be position first, following one of the basic laws of Jiu Jitsu. However positioning with leg locks is constantly overlooked and crazy scrambles ensue ensuring a potential injury. Ego also plays a factor, no one wants to admit a deficiency, especially in one's martial art of choice, it takes very open minded individual to seek assistance and develop a skill set from outside ones own system or instructor. What you fail to acknowledge could be your demise. IMHO leg locks can be trained safely at all levels, its takes knowledge, understanding and a firm approach towards safety while training. Learn the positions first, then start with non-twisting leg attacks (under Blue Belt at our Academy), then once a level of perfeciancy in leg attack positioning is obtainied then start integrating twisting leg attack as well. (Blue Belts and above)