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Did anyone else die laughing when BJ Penn tried Rubber Guard in his fight with Frankie Edgar tonight? Seriously, the conversation with my wife went like this:
Me: "I would die laughing if BJ Penn tried rubber guard."
*BJ Penn goes to Mission Control*
Me: "Hah! Ok now he needs to go to Crackhead Control."
*BJ Penn goes to Crackhead Control*
Me: "...."
That was the sloppiest attempt of rubber in the history of ufc and that was a high guard not crackhead. I mean the repeated free New Yorks too. But i'm talking shit. 5 rounds in the UFC against Edgar is something i will never understand. I just hope it looks different when George does it soon.
I LOLed at how pathetic of an attempt it was to emulate some form of queerbate rubberguard
exacly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse Bell
it was very poor but we are watching not actually fighting and bj was stuffed and he was just trying something and he needed to because what he was doing was terrible.. but in the end it was shocking attempt at rubber guard
also agree.. go george .. he is a legend!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing. I wanted BJ to win. No, when I saw him try RG I was REALLY excited. Can you imagine if BJ Penn Mastered the System? Holy crap dude. I'm still geeking out. :)
Thanks for the correction in terminology. If BJ had zombie'd the hand to the mat, would that have been crackhead?
WTF. A thread full of whitebelts pointing out how much BJ sucks. Wow. Serious LOL moment here.
im not bagging out BJ at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Callaway
i dont know the 10th planet system very well i train at gracie. but it was obvious that he wasnt using the rubber guard good at all. i know excacly how it is supposed to be. and when your in a fight it is very different as when your watching it. and as i said he was just trying something different as what he was doing wasnt working at all.
I think BJ is alot better with the GI but that just my opinion I was rooting for BJ but Edgar dominated. I have excepted that there is a new champion. Rematch with Grey will be awesome.
very let down by this fight...bj seemed to want to stand and try to slug it out. think he could have had a better chance if he would have tried more takedowns ans tried to keep it on the ground...
One of my guys said "what if he pulls rubbergaurd", and he did. I was screaming: now dig the forearm in the collarbone!!! Get that shit tight! Zombie with no knee hug (again).... Love BJ, but he needs to get stateside for about a year and train fulltime with a new camp. He needs to push himself harder than he ever has. His stagnant training will be the end of his career if not.
It kinda looked like BJ gave up on the fight before he even stepped in the ring. Did anyone else get that feeling?
He looked really apprehensive.
BJ just didnt look like himself from the moment he entered the cage. He was missing something. Anyone else see where he just stared off into space while his corner poked him in the side of the head with his cage banner? I'm a huge Penn fan. But at that moment I just took a deep breath and mumbled 'oh fuck'.
I live in Ohio, so I train a little with a gi when it gets close to winter. It is so I am able to take advantage of a jacket if I need to defend myself. Other than that, I enjoy no gi better
I was there at the UFC a few sections over from Eddie B. himself and I wish I could have read his mind at that moment.
I was about 20 rows back from the cage yelling "HUG THE KNEE". He really seemed lost from the opening bell.
BJ is a living legend no matter what :)
I was thinking the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Callaway
Anyway... Respect to both fighters. But Frankie really brought the fight. No question who one every round of the fight. I was impressed by Frankie's performance.
I wouldn't criticize BJ at all. He's a living legend like Eddie just said.
Frankie was just better that night.
Just what I was thinking. BJP is a jits god. Watch and learn. Don't be arm chair warriors, please. Leave that to football (soccer) hahahhaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Callaway
he is a legend....i still marvel at his insane leg flexibillity..but i do have to aggree with some guys on this..eeven us "white belts " could tell he wasnt himself...not takeing nothing from edgar...him being a beast last night was a big reason he won.
Yea, not to disagree with any of the higher ups, but there is a HUGE difference between being an arm chair warrior, and to know when someone is fucking up the rubber guard. BJ hasn't hugged the knee since the first time I saw him use it. Don't get me wrong: I love the hell out of Penn. He is a GOD of grappling in MMA, and has sick jits, great hands, the whole 9 yards so to speak, but his rubber guard is, in fact, horrible. Dude does NOT hug the knee like he should. I'm not trying to take anything away from the man, but OP is right. You don't need to be a black belt in 10th Planet JJ to know that if you don't hug the knee tight, that the rubber guard falls apart. He has a great game, but the rubber guard isn't part of it at the moment. If he wants to rock it in MMA, more power to him, but he needs to put in more time with it and work out its kinks.
He hurt rg more than helped it cause as my freinds was saying look rg doenst work!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think he ever even attempted 10p's rubber guard. I do think it would have helped him if he(especially) did it properly, but I wasn't the one with Frankie on top of me.
Ya'll ever competed and drew a straight beast, and everyones yelling instructions from the sidelines that you just can't execute? Then they're like " Why didn't you...?" and your like "Dude, I couldn't." You go back to the lab and find a solution, but freestyling a way to plow through a brick wall(however petite) that can move the speed of light in the heat of the moment is more than a little tuff.
I'm seeing a new era in arising in mma, and it was only a matter of time. Speed - Aldo, Jones, Edgar. These guys are Mayweather/Iverson type fast.
Who gives a shit if your friends, who probably don't train, think it doesn't work. gtfoh
First off, I love the rubber guard as much as the next guy but it is such a small part of the 10th Planet system. The fact that this thread has turned into a rubber guard thread is a little green. BJ has trained with Eddie but BJ is not a 10th Planet guy. Jiu Jitsu is a world of its own. Some of you pointed out some "mistakes" BJ made with his RG but the RG is played by a lot of JJ practitioners. Some good points brought up by the blue and purples, as most people here are whites. I list myself as a white only because I'm a JKD guy. I've got 4 years just in 10th Planet. The point is, a lot of fighters, especially in the UFC are familiar with 10th Planet. You can't just play the RG. Frankie was in great shape and outworked BJ. BJ didn't plan well and honestly, he's got nothing left to prove. He's got a new baby and he's done it all. If you guys want to point out "mistakes" let's bring up the lack of sweep attempts from butterfly. The lack of takedown attempts. BJ was 2 for 2. He should have pressed more. BJ has a lot of knowledge and for whatever reason, he decided not to pursue anything. Frankie tried to win the fight and fought smart.
sometimes its not about who is stronger or better at this or didnt do that,sometimes its about heart ,who is hungryer..or even plain old luck..
we can sit here and debate what BJ did wrong or right but last night it looked like edger just wanted it more...and that translated into more points...it did come down to a decission last night..and you know the saying..never let the judges decide
I am totally new to BJJ and 10th Planet and I am defintely not saying anything bad about BJ... That being said, I thought it was funny that BJ seemed to be on the "Basic Rubber Guard Path" that Eddie outlines in his books/dvd's. Whether he was too tired to execute it or he just hasn't drilled it enough is interesting to me.
Right....cause all his other techniques he was using just worked so good. Did your friends also say butterfly doesn't work?Quote:
Originally Posted by robert gero
maybe if he had done more 50/50 guard jon. lol
ttt for Eddie's response!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
BJ Penn is one of the BEST BJJ fighters to EVER step foot into the octagon. He is a LEGEND in the sport.
BJ is by far my favorite fighter of all time.
It just disappoints me for him to not use the Rubber Guard. We know he is familiar with it and we know that he believes in it, at least to a degree. And we know that he has the flexibility for it. It just hurts.
But we also know his M.O. is to attack from the top/back, and use the guard to sweep or stand up.
I will say this: he had a BEAUTIFUL Super Stomp last night. I believe Eddie said that's who he got it from, right?
Hes not called the Prodigy for nothing.
I hope these losses just motivate him.
i saw were bj posted he was takeing a break for awhile..i hope he doesnt sit around to long..
It does hurt to see someone with all the right ingredients, plus exponent, not take advantage. Especially when nothing else is working.
I'm confident enough to say, that if bj wished it, no one in his division would escape his rg. nawmsayn?
BJ is tops, a legend and the prodigy! That being said, he needs to divide his personal life and his professional life. Meaning that he needs a new coach. His only major problem was being highlighted in this "championship" fight. The only strategy his corner come out with was; your so much stronger than him, do what you do, blah blah. WTF??? Although that is what a friend or family member would comment, my point is he doesn't need to let his uncle and brother try to coach him. It shows they have no clue as to how to do their jobs as his coach/corner. I felt sorry for both of them, because this is what I'll remember from the fight. And I am speaking from experience on the stagnant training and relying on your natural abilities. I need the very same thing! An easy analogy would be to say that he has reached a training plateau and needs to figure out how to break through it.