Coming Full Circle in 10th Planet and thank your Eddie

We all know that the 10th Planet system is always evolving. There are a number of moves that have been replaced with 'better ones' because counters have been discovered.

Eddie now talks about trying to go straight to flying kung fu by passing zombie/new york/chill dog. He use to test out invisible collar all the time. That now has gone to the wayside.

The way I see it is this. When we practice in our schools (10th Planet ones) we are rolling with people who KNOW the system. So our counters are based on their reactions to our attempts. The average BJJ player who doesn't know the system will fall victim to the 'older' tricks. However, the above average player (or those open minded enough to study the system) won't fall for those things (supposedly).

I am what you call an old school 10th Planet player (no pun intended). My basics win fights for me. Eddie once said that he "wasn't athletic so he needed tricks to win." I am now thinking that the cat is out of the bag and their are no tricks...only solid drilling over and over to get really good at what we know.

Red asked me a while back to take his videos off line because he didn't want people to know what his 'style was'. I told him " Jean Marc, there is a huge difference knowing what you are going to do and STOPPING it."

I see the 10th Planet system as adding (or in some cases creating) to our games. It enhances our styles. For me, the half guard and rubber guard have saved my butt hundreds of times. It literally saved me from a broken arm in competition last year when I reversed a sub attempt and used the lock down and electric chair to end a match.

The more things change, the more things stay the same? I dunno. I am just thinking out loud.

Eddie has taught me a lot. And I am very thankful for it. I simply wanted to say thank you Eddie publicly.

True that. Awesome line about stopping the moves so accurate. The lockdown and the system have saved my limbs a few times as well. Thank you Master Eddie

well said Ari..im very grateful to be part of this system :)

Damn, I'm studying the Mastering the RG 3 disc set. Are you telling me that there are moves there that I shouldn't be working on learning since there have been improvements? If so, is there anything that I can buy like a book or dvd so I can train the current curriculum.

It's funny how your training partners adapt and slowly crowd your game out and all your cool tricks start requiring serious reps and training to get better at.

Then one day a person from another gym shows up and all of a sudden, all of those awesome moves that get shut down magically reappear and you're hitting a carni like it was 2008.

i agree that the way Eddie breaks it down you know the different escapes and counters and are prepared for them it comes down to how much times you rep the movement on how successful you will be with rather then relying on a trick.

Learn all the moves, spar with many people and different styles. Competition and or training with Anti 10th planet/ lack of 10th planet info schools will only make you better. Competition will help you navigate strength and impose your will using tech, and when training with fellow nirbirus you will naturally become patient and cerebral....Trust and respect allow you to spar with freedom.

Invisible collar is HUGE for me when playing RG, not so much as a submission but it's the best control position in full guard hands down. It is impossible to get hit and it's the only control position that's sometimes a submission :)

The system is always evolving and old school techs will usually resurface and it's because we're all working together as a family to continue to ad and alter the game, thank you all very much for the eternal support :)

I just posted a small note similar to that on my facebook wall. I'm grateful for Eddie and the other instructors and training partners in the 10th Planet family for sharing their knowledge with me and making me better in every aspect.

No such thing as "Tricks". But a skill mastered.

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Originally Posted by Brian Morency

No such thing as "Tricks". But a skill mastered.

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what about the old "loook over there" to double leg take down?

Ari my brother-well said. I agree with quite a bit of what you wrote. As long as this extended family perseveres and helps one another, we will all only get better. Excellent attitude. Call it "Budo", Ohana, The Martial Way, or whatever-it all amounts to the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

what about the old "loook over there" to double leg take down?

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Thats definitely a trick.

And mucho ups to Eddie, always.

I was very active on the competition circuit last year until I got hurt really bad. On 2 occasions, my opponent and his coach knew EXACTLY what I was gonna do. I was approached later on my by opponent and he told me that he was watching my matches all week. So, I understand why "Red" would want his videos taken down...But leave them up. :)

Nice post Ari, agreed. Thanks Eddie and the rest of the niburu nation. The part about stopping it is sotrue. Those familiar with Kosei Inoue in judo, know he's an o uchi, uchi mata guy but no one could stop him for like a decade. If you put the reps in you just get that good at shit. Adaptation and expansion are huge parts of course. But everyone has bread and butter go to moves.

I have an interesting couple of stories to tell. Essentially the same comments from my Uncle, who was a champion Judoka MANY years ago, and Kru Phil Nurse. They essentially said: "all I use is one or two basic techniques in my matches. If my opponent counters one, I use the second, then the third, until I can catch them with number one". My Uncle used to tell me that he had only one real "money" throw, and if that got countered, he'd just go back and forth between that and his back up until he got the Ippon. Kru Phil essentially told me the same. If he's serious about ending a fight and not being flashy, it's straight punches and low kicks. If he wants to crush you, it's knees from the clinch. Basically, keep doing your money until you get shut down, then go to plan B.

Im at like 1/4 circle...

Cool Ari, Eddie is the the man but don't underestimate what you contribute too. ie. Right now money for me in mount is to finish with an americana in combination with a sambo leg lock I learned off your site what seems like forever ago ( a samura) . I think that there's a common spirit here that unites us (which is why we're drawn together and Eddie more than anyone enbodies that spirit). In the long run we'll discover how much more we'll accomplish as a team then we ever could on our own.

K, so it looks like everyone here is saying that I should be putting learning and putting reps into everything in the MTRG series, even "older" moves since they resurface with new environments. Ty guys. You know I've never been one to have "black belt pride" because I know that most traditional schools, ie *McDojo*, give out belts like happy meals, but I'd be proud as hell to someday earn a 10PJJ blue.

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Originally Posted by Brian Beaumont

Cool Ari, Eddie is the the man but don't underestimate what you contribute too. ie. Right now money for me in mount is to finish with an americana in combination with a sambo leg lock I learned off you site what seems like forever ago ( a samura) . I think that there's a common spirit here that unites us (which is why we're drawn together and Eddie more than anyone enbodies that spirit). In the long run we'll discover how much more we'll accomplish as a team then we ever could on our own.

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Can I get an amen!!

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Originally Posted by Ari Bolden

Red asked me a while back to take his videos off line because he didn't want people to know what his 'style was'. I told him " Jean Marc, there is a huge difference knowing what you are going to do and STOPPING it."

The more things change, the more things stay the same? I dunno. I am just thinking out loud.

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Ari I think you handled that great. Everyone has seen my videos and know what I'm going after, so when I do get it, its even better. They see it coming and can't stop it.

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Originally Posted by Scott Yockel

Ari I think you handled that great. Everyone has seen my videos and know what I'm going after, so when I do get it, its even better. They see it coming and can't stop it.

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Wait Scott, do you have a go to move?

Heel something or another...i dunno...never heard of it

[QUOTE=Brandon Palmer;41017]Wait Scott, do you have a go to move?

Heel something or another...i dunno...never heard of it[/QUOTE

You must be thinking about someone else Brandon. I use the Rigde Hand, gets them everytime.

HAH! Fockken ridge hand...F T W!

You should get John Kreese or Terry Silver to teach you leg sweeps, guys in tournaments are suckers for them.

Also, i just wanted to say ballbag real bad, so i just did. Feel free to judge me.

Amen Ari

Cool....just cool. I wasn't trying to speak for Eddie's game but rather taking conversations I have had over the years in 'splices' and reporting how things change (and apparently how things come full circle and stay the same ;-)

It is amazing what you can learn when your eyes and ears are open. It is even more amazing how much you learn when your HEART is open and into it. I dunno, I've been a quite 10th Planet warrior over the past year but I am STILL very much around and reppin here in Victoria. Proud to be the first school in Canada.

And each school develops its own flavor.

One last note: Teachers and students should recognize what will work best in one's game. Size, injuries and a host of other factors will give you different abilities. Its great to have a vast tool box but also know what tools are able to be handled the best. I have to kick myself in the ass when I am playing my old game over and over. Reinvent yourself once and a while. Coming out of that comfort zone may mean you lose position or tap....ALOT. the sword only get's stronger the longer you forge it.

Be well everyone
Ari

I see stuff work for a while, get stuffed for a while and then make a come back in my game. Its a lot of fun.

Eddie's my superhero:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CbbtIoUceI