***UFC 118 SPOILER*** What does the Edgar v Penn fight mean?

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So, I'm going to base this on the assumption that, at least for now, we can agree that Frankie is a bad matchup for BJ. I want to know what people think...is Edgar now the best LW in the world? I'm not asking about rankings, which is why I said "best" and not "#1". Do you think he is the favorite against every other LW, or is he just well suited to fight BJ with his bouncy, squirmy, overly energetic, and hard working style? I still personally think a lot of other guys could take Edgar apart, but that he is just a nightmare for BJ, while I don't think there are many other LWs that have an edge against Penn. Then again, maybe Frankie really has gotten that much better.

I feel as if Penn had no heart in that fight, & not to mention his corner was TERRIBLE. If I was in his corner I would slapped Penn silly & told him to wake up and remind em' that this dude already took his belt once before, but I'm not his corner. Hahha. Not sure if Bj is in a slump or edgar was just a bad match up for him? I hold alot of respect for Penn but he's gota get his game up! (:

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Originally Posted by Gabby Bella

I feel as if Penn had no heart in that fight, & not to mention his corner was TERRIBLE. If I was in his corner I would slapped Penn silly & told him to wake up and remind em' that this dude already took his belt once before, but I'm not his corner. Hahha. Not sure if Bj is in a slump or edgar was just a bad match up for him? I hold alot of respect for Penn but he's gota get his game up! (:

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Agreed, BJ's corner should be ashamed of themselves. They were giving him motivational pep talks instead of technical advice on how to WIN. What good is a fighter whose mental game is in check if they don't have an answer the their opponent's physical game?

Yes, I agree that his corner was horrible.

I think that as it stands, you beat BJ penn twice, you are the best... for now. as for BJ i think his next fight will tell us a lot about where his head is at or if he still wants to do this. Don't forget he admits it himself, he is a very fickle guy. Maybe he should work out with another camp for awhile and switch things up.

You have to like Edgars style of aggression not like most other title holders who sit back and play defense. Edgar v Maynard looks to be a brawl unless Maynard totally dominates then we get Penn v Edgar 3?

I think Penn's corner is a clear reflection on his team and training in general. It is so clear that he needs a top camp and coach, with the PT, drilling, gameplanning, and cornering that go with it. My question, though, is about other top LWs matched up against both o them...would you generally give Edgar or Penn better odds against most opponents? In other words, for example, I still think Florian would have a good chance against Edgar, but not against Penn.

I think Edgar is for real. I see what your saying about Florian though. Ya never know and only one way to find out. We'll see if he defends.

The big part of BJ's camp is that most of them are his family members, and his has been with them for far to long. We see fighters all the time go from one camp to another when things become stagnant. I think also part of it is his ego. IMHO it seems like he only trains to be faster or stronger or for better cardio. But it seems that he never trains to be better, to acquire more skills, or to change his game. I think Edgar put on a great show, and fought a great points fight. I think that the LW division is going to have a lot of changes within the next year and i honestly don't see Florian, Penn, Edgar or Maynard holding the title. 2011 is the year for George Sotiropoulos!

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Originally Posted by Randall

The big part of BJ's camp is that most of them are his family members, and his has been with them for far to long. We see fighters all the time go from one camp to another when things become stagnant. I think also part of it is his ego. IMHO it seems like he only trains to be faster or stronger or for better cardio. But it seems that he never trains to be better, to acquire more skills, or to change his game. I think Edgar put on a great show, and fought a great points fight. I think that the LW division is going to have a lot of changes within the next year and i honestly don't see Florian, Penn, Edgar or Maynard holding the title. 2011 is the year for George Sotiropoulos!

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I agree with this post 100% from the first word to the last.

Thank you sir, Just saying whats on my mind.

I honestly don't think the corner were as bad as people have made them out to be (Everyone seems to take on board Joe Rogan's opinions these days anyways:p)

Penn is so much more aggressive, gets into a more winning mindset (Probably makes no sense as I'm awake 43 hours at this stage..) when he's motivated, otherwise he doesn't really seem to be bothered, I imagine his corner were just trying to motivate him again, like he was in the Florian fight after Florian's 'smack talk'. I think it worked for a short while, I haven't watched the fight since but I think towards the start of the 3rd/4th round BJ was getting slightly annoyed, this is when he started throwing leg kicks at the beginning of the round and shot for a takedown, after the first minute or so he seemed to forget what he was motivated for, so lost his winning mentality again. At the start of the next round it was the exact same too..

This led me to think BJ doesn't really need cornermen, he needs good motivators, his corner gave him no advice whatsoever, yet in the latter rounds he decided to go for the leg kicks and takedowns until he lost his motivation again. He seems to be able to change his gameplan without the need of a corner (Unless he's fighting GSP:rolleyes:) unlike other fighters who'll take on board everything the coach says to them.

But then again I've been awake for 40+ hours so my mind's probably not in tip-top shape...