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When fighting bigger, stronger guys and you get the rubber guard, how can you keep him from posting up on his feet, applying pressure and stacking you. This has happened to me a few times now. When he did that, I couldn't get my arm in for a Zombie. I changed to Crackhead Control, but he just stacked me more and I couldn't get the armbar. This happens when I fight bigger guys and try a traditional armbar too. Any suggestions?
I hope my explanation painted a clear enough picture. Thanks guys.
stacking nullifies most forms of guard. when he stacks sweep or roll!
There are techniques in RG to deal with the stack. I think they are in Eddies book, but for sure any 10th P instructor can show you....
I always try to manage the distance of their hips away from my hips before they get a chance to stack me. Obviously there's the foot on hip tactic (I have to pinch my knee in hard, flaring it out gives up the pass). But when times get desperate I sometimes have to go hand on hip or try to desperately shoulder crawl backwards. As long as I keep my weight above and out in front of him (their head is usually at my sternum) his stacking usually slides me backwards instead of folding me in half.
Hipping out (shrimping out) and attacking with my rubber guard at an angle is also helpful as it keeps me off angle from their stack. Forward momentum on their part (if I can retain the angle) will usually send them towards an omoplata. I used to just get their elbow to center and secure a deep hook while I was trash compacted upside down (then you get some kind of crazy ad hoc armbar or they roll out and you ride them to mount) but that's been killing my back, so I find it better to just stay out of the angle and/or range of the stack now.
I just say to hell with RG and go to butterfly guard. It also depends on how deep into RG I am. If I'm just at mission control or crackhead control, I'll put my butterfly hooks in. If I'm at chill dog, I want him to stack me. Real easy to get to jiu claw from there, because your leg is wide open. Just my 2 cents, but I haven't been doing RG for very long so maybe I'm wrong.
Everybody says to use butterfly on the monsters but I seriously can never get it to work. They just put their mongo claw on my knee and smash through. I can't reap their grip away in time or anything. How do you keep your legs clear of their grips?
Half Guard for me is what works best against the big guys, when it comes to people using strength against me, I always find that sweeping the using Half and Half is good. The problem is, you gotta have a pretty good side control to keep them there! I'm finding it easier and easier now as time goes on though
Try Duda, or drop kick his @ss.
Agreed, i have success working my half guard game with the bigger guys because its easy to pull them into half guard and then i work the lockdown and the basic sweeps like oldschool... big guys fall hard when they cant base out ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay JC Chow
thanks guys!
Use gag reflex then use the force to chill dog and get off his power line. He can stack as much as he wants if your not directly under him.
stacking may seem to make it look like the bigger guys in the dominant position but as a bigger guy that usually rolls with smaller more experianced guys. wille stacking gives me a slight breather..an experianced RG player can still get the submissions in..plus it really throws of my balance leaveing me more prone to sweeps .
EXACTLY! Jedi mind trickQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Beaumont
You need to grab over/under while you switch to butterfly, or even before. The overhook should be there for you pretty easily, but you'll have to fight for that underhook. THEN you can sweep or pyramid or whatever. If nothing else, he'll give up his stack for base when you put your butterfly hooks in, and that can give you a chance to get to chilldog. There are so many variables, but you can always go to the dropkick sweep.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skjz6...ext=1&index=11
Hey AJ
If you haven't established a clinch on the guy yet, it's all about good handfighting to get into a dominant grip. For me, I try to get to either Double Unders, Double Overs or Over/Unders and have a series of sweeps off each one.
If you let them get grips on your legs it usually goes downhill from there.
If they grip your ankles to pin them, Arm Drag.
If they grip your ankles and try to lift your legs (putting you on your back) smack their hands either out or up.
If they post on your knees (either pushing them to the ground or pinning them together) smack their hands out or up.
As you fight their grips off pummel in for your own, then get your hooks in to work on off balancing them straight away.
If they manage to get double underhooks, flatten you out and crush your hooks; try to fight a forearm in under their neck, brace it with your other hand, drive their head up and away while sitting up and driving them away with your hooks. Then grip fight back in.
If you can't get your forearm in, wrap up their head with a guillotine (any version will normally do). If they try to fight the guillotine off, get to work with your butterfly's to off balance them, either getting the sweep or opening them up to grip fight back in.
If you can't wrap up the guillotine, stick your finger in their ear.
P.S Pulling up with the overhooks (kind of like a guillotine) helps keep their arms up.
If they can get access to my legs still, I'll usually work for double underhooks. Cupping the shoulders and winging your elbows keeps their hands up, and if I can join my fingers together (s-grip) or even gable grip, all the better.
(Double Underhooks with a gable grip right behind their neck will pretty much assure they can't reach your legs, but you have to have mad hand fighting skills to get there.)
Ninja's answer is better.
Just stab em
crackhead is for posture control not stack control. Mission control is best for the stack. The foot on the hip is crucial to minimize stacking. From there it all depend where you're at, ny or mc.
If someone stacks my arm bar, they are getting arm barred... pump/dump or Russian roll. Please, stack me if I try to arm bar you.