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As soon as the other guy got mount, he stopped it and gave him points. WTF!?!?
That was bologne man, seriously referee did not know what the fuck he was doing.
thats why they need to be submission only, refs suck...
Zebra need to start making grappling carpet. Fucking shenanigans. Scott got jipped twice.
that seemed pretty shady...
I normally wouldn't complain in public, but that match was ridiculous.
4 major mistakes by the referee which resulted in the loss in my opinion:
1) Three minutes in, when the points period started, the referee for some strange reason slapped Scott hard on the back instead of verbally saying "points" which is the standard in every other adcc match i've ever seen. Everyone knows that when the ref touches you you're supposed to freeze (as a precursor to moving the action back to the center of the mat) and of course Scott was super confused and let go of a vice grip which is his game.
2) You are not supposed to be allowed to run off the mat to escape a submission which the guy clearly did.
3) Once off the mat (and he was on the carpet), once the submission is let go, the action should have been stopped.
4) Let's say as a ref you missed the issues raised above in point 2 and 3, then how in the world do you let a guy go from the carpet to a mount where Scott clearly stopped rolling as the action should be done. And if you somehow let him keep going, how do you give him mount points at that time and restart? Meaning, if somehow you think the action should keep going despite the guy being completely out of bounds (to avoid the submission), then once he gets back in bounds, why stop at mount? If that's suddenly a viable mount (and it wasn't as you can see on the video) and they're back in bounds, why stop it? Because the ref was confused and slow and doesn't know what to do at that point.
I know in grappling tournaments you never know what to expect with the officials (btw, they were fine in my matches this tournament), but this one was blatantly ridiculous.
What was with the original interaction of the ref, when he taps Scott on the back, which cause him to loose focus for a second...I didn't know any better I would think the Ref has something against 10th Planet, or Scotty.
That sucked.
and epstein gets robbed again,...some bullshit...
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Originally Posted by Nathan "Máquina"
Horrible refereeing
Yeah that was rape for sure, and garbage. Scott dominated that whole match, this is like one of the classic UFC shit decisions.
I had Scott with 2 takedowns as well aka more than 2 points
HE gott robbed. He dominated that guy.
einstein has had a rough go from the refs in his career. i have seen him get hosed in several videos.
you clearly won that match.
i am no ref, but it seemed to me that when the ref slapped einstein on the back, he was really slapping the hand of the opponent for grabbing einsteins shorts or rash guard. right before that happened the ref warned the other guy to let go of the shorts. thats just what i saw. the restart was the worst.
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Originally Posted by Nathan "Máquina"
An absolute fucking disgrace. I would bet any money that bullshit ref has a blatent bias against 10th planet. Unbelievible.
Whats also sad is that 2 people had to yell at the refree and than Scott had to turn back and ask him if he got the points for the initial take down. How do these people get licensed?
I would have been out on that mat demanding an eplanation.
take it to court?
lol
sew the ref, sew the orangization for hiring that ref, sew the venue for allowing that event to take place
sew the city for allowing the venue for being there sew the state for having all that non sense
and after that open your own affiliate! :-P
next year!!!!
oh shit i spelt it wrong
lol
*sue
HA!
I'm not saying this cuz I know Scott or anything like that. But Scott showed that he was WAY better than that guy throughout the match. Congratulations Scott. You beat him.
Cosign. ADCC refs really don't know how to handle when someone rolls out of bounds to escape a submission. They fuck that one up all the time. The back slap was crazy weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan "Máquina"
Really? What makes you think that?
Horrible grappling officiating happens all the time, all over the country. I didn't see anything in this that for one second made me think there was blatant 10th planet bias going on.
I'm so fuckin mad right now. I already have an issue with Grappling Refs and Rules, but that was absurd. How is it even possible to get robbed that clearly in front of that many people and nothing is resolved. I would flip my shit. Fuck ADCC.
submission only solves the problem, all submissions legal with double elimination or round robin format
that was bulshit.
wow...that was a rob job for real. I mean that was just domination by scott. unfortunately we are seeing unqualified refs this more and more as jitz gets more popular. you'd think they would at least have qualified guys at ADCC though....
Like Jesse Bell, I would also flip my shit. Einstein fought a beautiful match. He had a lot of stuff going on, takedowns, control, very good sub attempts. He obviously came prepared. Btw, the other dude looked pretty big.
Props to whomever filmed the match. I'm so tired of people filming matches and having the fighters be tiny little specs in the frame because the filmmaker has zoomed out instead of in. This video was zoomed in nice and tight and was very watchable.
[I][I]to me it looked like he was slapping the Bryce's hand away for holding Einstein's shorts? No?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan "Máquina"
I totally agree, absolute horse-shit to do that. I heard no warnings if that was the case. and with him slapping, THEN saying POINTS, thats crap.
The carpet was BS too. cant tell if he slowed because he noticed the carpet, but to me, he knew he was there and stopped pressing. i mean, im playing devils advocate here, but dont stop
now, non-devil, thats just ASKING for someone to get injured. it seemed crappy that the judge just let it go that far.
if NOTHING else, the action should have continued JUST long enough for Bryce to ESTABLISH mount, vs JUUUUST getting it, then the stoppage.
we all know we are a LIL biased, but I dont see any reason why the mount points happened like that. even if we say he DID get the mount in that .25 seconds, Scott reversed it within another .5 secs after the restart. and ive never seen mount points being given after less than 1 second. fuck, double it or triple it and you STILL dont have a case for an established mount.
and btw...that was some sick RG by Bryce! ;) i think he was a millimeter away from hitting the Sorcerer on Scott.
either way, crappy refs or not, good job Scott. Thats a win in my book.
WTF!? Were they watching the same match that we were???
Horrible calls!!
if it were to the death scott would have won
damn, scott has some serious control to keep his cool like that.
when people screw me over like that i go nuts and make sure everyone sees how bad the person fucked up lol
Maybe the ref was a Gracie :P
boo!
yeah gotta admit that tap from the Ref was fucked up. And carpet grappling; not cool. Bad ref= sucks ass.
my dogs still love me.