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with better, more directed wrestling at the beginning. not getting hip tossed and sat on in the first place. you have to avoid that situation completely against people like that, take his back from the very beginning if not anything else.
Yeah i see where your coming from i made a tiny effort for his back at the beginning but he lifted my ass up. what id like to know is once i fucked up, is there a smarter way to get outta side mount against a much bigger opponent,than what i did. He was 430lbs Im 160lbs. I mean Im happy with the Marcelo at the end, but i couldnt figure out a better or quicker way to sweep him.
On a random kook, just go Gracie Jiujitsu 101, with the double underhooks to leg trip. Usually double underhooks are a solid way to go because even if they go wrong, usually something good happens. Except on a really good wrestler. On a really good wrestler or judoka, bad things happen when you hold on.
As for getting out of the scarf hold, I couldn't see how he was controlling your arm away from the camera. The simplest move is just to get your inside arm underneath his body so that you can start to take his back. When the size difference is that dramatic, that's immediately what I am looking for rather than trying to setup some perfect sweep. Because on a dude that big, it would have to be a perfect sweep to get him over.
will be very hard to sweep with that weight difference unless your marcelo lol. good perserverance though you did hang in there. lol. your lucky that he didnt put all of his weight on you because it would be game over
Who in their right fucking mind would try and roll with someone 3x their weight? I blame you for the whole thing, it seems as if you just wanted too show off but got your ass handed too you. And whats with calling him a fat fuck? Get some respect asshole.
^^^^ hahahhahahah
wow, looks like you pissed someone off above. pretty serious reply! i personally don't think it is wrong to test yourself by fighting someone huge. I weigh 150, and when I was 140, used to fight 300 pounders all the time. If they didnt know bjj, I always won. if they did, I usually lost. but i learned...
I find the whole thing pretty messed up. You want to train, go to the gym and train. Don’t look like a jerk off just trying to show off. It’s crap like this that gives MMA and combat sports in general a bad name.
I think it gives living room fights a bad name...Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Allum
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You should have arm barred him into the nearest sleepy girl.
you shouldnt have tried to jump on his back in that situation you gave him the takedown
instead of trying to use flexibile you really needed to frame on his hips.
In defense to the aggressive folks above I was just watching for the first few rolls till the big guy ran through about three dudes. He then challenged me which i declined, but was later convinced by the crew. To the guy who says i got my ass handed to me you must have missed the choke at the end. He def. squished the shit out of me tho and I will be keeping my rolling to the gym,but i am still new to jj and must admit it was nice seeing what a small level of jiu jitsu can do against someone who has no backround whatsoever. So talk your smack, but i only made this thread to get some insight on what i could have done better once I was put on my back by someone bigger. My wrestling backround is zero
You almost were half way to move I use all the time. I wrote about it a few threads ago. You had the right idea, when he had you in scarf hold and thru your leg up to peel him back. You needed to use jaws of life.....push his head up to get leg around. Push's his center of gravity off and some of the weight off your chest. If you had pushed his head up 6 inch's would have been easy peel. Triangle his head as you sit up arm bar trailing arm..... bang , you got Limelight. My name for the move.lol.
Weight has nothing to do with it,I weigh 155 pounds and have used it on guys that out weigh me by 100 pounds, only thing smart guys do to defend is keep there face buried close to your chest. But he wasn't smart enough for that.lol.
Don't stress it dude. Jiujitsu is different things to different people. Some people feel that it should be respected and stay in the gym where it is controlled, safe, responsible, and clean. Others think it's just a way to choke a dude out. I am a bit of column A and column B. Though I would never roll with a total stranger outside of the gym, cage, or competition... I don't personally view this as a sin against the MMA gods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Rollins
You can't please everybody all of the time and you shouldn't worry about it. Some people take offense at people who roll while high on weed, go figure. Different strokes for different folks.
I keep asking friends if they consider BJJ to still be a martial art. I feel its becoming more of a sport/gym activity than a martial art. Videos like this make me feel that way. In my very old school mind, a martial artist wouldn't refer to his opponent as a "fat fuck". Respect was always taught by instructors and practiced by students in martial arts. Having never taken part in any organized sports in my youth, I don't know if that was the case in sports.
I have a lot of respect for the guy,we've been friends for years. I only put it that way in good fun.
Alcohol involved right? This shits good times sometimes. Standing arm drag would have bin my first option. Or evil rainbow to get a hook and escape your head for back control. Sweepin is out of the question and escapes/ scrambles should be your objective. Either way it looked like good times with friends.
You dictate your own reality buddy. What's going to happen is you'll be friends with less people by holding true to who you are in and out of the gym, but the people you do make friends with, those relationships will be THAT much stronger. Some people take offense to people rolling while high, and that's okay. Some people are into the backyard brawl type of deal, not my thing really, nor is rolling drunk at a party, but I'm not judging. Although calling him a fat F#ck was a bit mean, but some groups of close friends call each other those sort of names. Nice finish by the way. =D Just be you buddy, even if it means some people won't like ya for it.
you did a great job against someone MUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH larger than you. Weight DOES matter. The more skilled you become the more you nullify it...but a dude almost 500lbs presents you with difficulty. You got the tap, you did fine. My question is why would you even try to sweep him?
It was funny that when he had you in side control he couldn't figure out what to really do with you.
dude I'm brutal with my friends....I think people are taking your drunk roll or party roll or high roll too seriously. In high school we used to wrestle like that all the time and call each other worse than a fat fuck...usually stuff that was of a sexual orientated nature. It's all good. If the guy felt disrespected I'm sure there would have been punches thrown. People need to calm down...this is just rough housing with jiu jitsu elements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Rollins
Hey man i apologize for what I said too you. I watched the whole vid but in my opinion you won because he wasnt going hard on you. Still great job though, im not telling you what too do, but I wouldnt spar with anybody that big, nor brag about doing jiu jitsu, because some asshole will call you out. You still did good holding him off, and not letting him put all his weight on you.
No hard feelings man.
This video makes baby Jesus have a substantial headache.
It could have been worse...someone could have been called a Ginger, or a Munson, or George Dubya....now that last one's fighting words.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Davis
At first I thought you were trying to reenact the Australian bullying video. As long as no one's beer got spilled, it's all good.
Way to go Harley! That whole thing was pretty hilarious. We can do a Gracie Breakdown next time you're in class. :)
Single leg grab and hold it. Fall to your ass and xguard to ankle sweep. Boom there is a pound of meat loaf in my neighbors oven.
How did he run through three dudes when he's got no jiu jitsu background, what was he getting taps with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Rollins
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Originally Posted by Louis Ho
Dude, you guys need to shoot and post a Gracie Breakdown of that, it would be incredible.
Pain taps..just crushing people. lmao cant wait for the breakdown Louis.
Nick Diaz is a bad Mo FoQuote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
lmao dude if u didnt have any wrestling why the bajesus did u tie up w him? haha i like the arm drag suggestion. i also digg the xguard sweeps but u gotta put the reps in and for someone that huge i probably wouldnt even try cuz if you shoot for a single and he sprawl......UHHHHH OHHHHHH!!!!!!
This is my opinion only. I don't think there is a correct answer. However, I really liked and agreed with this quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric
"The people that trash talk traditional martial arts have no clue. They don’t know the game and they don’t have the knowledge. I consider wrestling a martial art and boxing a martial art. Everything, including Judo and Taekwondo, works; it just depends on how you apply it. It is the martial artist that makes the style efficient, not the style that makes the martial artist efficient." - Georges St. Pierre
I think a martial art is a way to systematically (in a way that can be repeated by others) discipline your mind and body to control aggressive or dangerous combat situations. This includes staying calm in tough spots, disarming others who are dangerous, and learning when and when not to engage. Wrestling qualifies (to me). So does boxing. If someone walks up to me at a bar and swings, I can use my martial art to avoid danger.
I think that saying BJJ is not a martial art because of this is a little extreme. First of all, if they are fighting as friends just to see what happens, then it is just practice. Fights happen outside of the gym, and outside of weight classes, so why not try your hand there occasionally? And if it is in anger, that means it is applied martial arts. The little guy defends himself from the big guy with technique. We have all seen videos of this happening with every martial art out there - a bully starts some shit, and gets knocked out by a karate guy or whatever. Isn't that one of the main points of martial arts?
Finally, the comment "fat fuck". Is it disrespectful? Yes, clearly. Is it appropriate? No. However, this is an internet forum, and a lot of us are stoners. Is it not possible that someone just typed something up high, and the joking tone in his head didn't come through? They seem to be friends, so I doubt he meant it they way people are taking it. Besides, even if he did, there is a difference between a single person showing disrespect, and a whole martial art becoming something else. I am positive that, for every martial art out there, there has been at least a few practitioners who have gone out and acted rude. Judo, Karate, Kung Fu ... are we to assume that no expert in these has ever talked shit, or ever fought in a living room? Does that make them not a martial art? Or does it just make the person out of line?
nice take evans.