Twister Side Control

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04-19-2011, 08:30 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

Twister Side Control

My training partner and I were drilling TSC using the MTT book as our guide doing reps on both our weak and strong side jiu jitsu. After about 20-30 reps in the TSC, I asked him to try to push me off him, and he simply threw me forward a few inches and then got my back off his face and my butt off his arm I was sitting on allowing him to further push me down closer to his hips and escape TSC. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot and stabilize the TSC position?
04-19-2011, 08:37 PM
Jared Gammel

Brace with your hand either against their knee or hip.
04-19-2011, 10:36 PM
bobby rivers

Grab love handle, put head on ribs in front of hip, brace knee, keep the bottom knee on the ground and under the hip, and back that ass up.
04-19-2011, 10:40 PM
AJ Camacho

Are you and your training partner the same weight?
04-20-2011, 09:07 AM
Enrique "Kiko"

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

Are you and your training partner the same weight?

I'm 152 and he's 170-175ish, but that shouldn't matter if I'm doing it right should it?
04-20-2011, 11:39 AM
Chris Herzog

Kiko, remember Twister Side Control is a LIVE position, very similar to knee on the belly. Its like surfing, you have to make constant adjustments, always work towards backing that ass into his face, keep that knee tight against his hip and post on the far knee, also keeping your elbow in his armpit, keeping his arm over his head, helps destroy the power of his arms.
04-20-2011, 11:45 AM
Joey Guzman

yea Kiko you need to "back dat ass up" lmao sorry i kno this is a serious conversation but soon as I read that I couldnt help but think "Get it on the floor get it get it on the floor"
04-20-2011, 11:59 AM
Cookie Monster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Kiko, remember Twister Side Control is a LIVE position, very similar to knee on the belly. Its like surfing, you have to make constant adjustments, always work towards backing the ass into his face, keep that knee tight against hip and post on the far knee, also keeping your elbow in his armpit, keeping his arm over his head, helps destroy the power of his arms.

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that was awesome Chris!
04-20-2011, 12:38 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

Thank you everyone for the tips. I'll be training TSC for a couple hours before classes tonight. I love the support and feeling of our 10th Planet Family.
04-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Cookie Monster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiko

Thank you everyone for the tips. I'll be training TSC for a couple hours before classes tonight. I love the support and feeling of our 10th Planet Family.

and never reach for a a under hook on the side where yuor opponent is checking your rib

there gonna straight arm bar you
04-20-2011, 01:09 PM
bobby rivers

"Back dat ass up" is a phrase Chris used one time and has helped me teach the position exponentially. Everybody gets it then. Thanx again Chris.

Once you back that ass up, remember. Keep backing...
04-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Chris Herzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby rivers

"Back dat ass up" is a phrase Chris used one time and has helped me teach the position exponentially. Everybody gets it then. Thanx again Chris.

Once you back that ass up, remember. Keep backing...

Bobby you can't believe half the shit that guy says!
04-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

LoL, how could I NOT love you guys =D. *no homo*
04-20-2011, 02:48 PM
AJ Camacho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiko

I'm 152 and he's 170-175ish, but that shouldn't matter if I'm doing it right should it?

It always matters. It doesn't mean that it won't work but it definitely makes the position more dynamic and erratic if your opponent is physically capable of bench pressing you. As always, Herzog is dead on. Eddie covered this at the seminar, just like any sidemount against a stronger or skilled opponent, twister side is a dynamic position.

Currently on big dudes, when I get bench pressed off, I panic, overhook their head with my arm and then try to reel myself back towards north south. Now That I learned Eddie's side mount guillotine it ties in perfectly with that overhook grip. I'm not saying you should do this.. I'm just thinking out loud with how I tend to abandon the position when things go bad but my twister side is a mess. I just figured out how to grind dudes out with my backside in order to force them to turn into me and give up the truck.
04-20-2011, 07:38 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

It always matters. It doesn't mean that it won't work but it definitely makes the position more dynamic and erratic if your opponent is physically capable of bench pressing you. As always, Herzog is dead on. Eddie covered this at the seminar, just like any sidemount against a stronger or skilled opponent, twister side is a dynamic position.

Currently on big dudes, when I get bench pressed off, I panic, overhook their head with my arm and then try to reel myself back towards north south. Now That I learned Eddie's side mount guillotine it ties in perfectly with that overhook grip. I'm not saying you should do this.. I'm just thinking out loud with how I tend to abandon the position when things go bad but my twister side is a mess. I just figured out how to grind dudes out with my backside in order to force them to turn into me and give up the truck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Kiko, remember Twister Side Control is a LIVE position, very similar to knee on the belly. Its like surfing, you have to make constant adjustments, always work towards backing that ass into his face, keep that knee tight against his hip and post on the far knee, also keeping your elbow in his armpit, keeping his arm over his head, helps destroy the power of his arms.

Coach Zog, I was working more TSC with someone today, but unfortunately he was one of the couple of guys in my gym who is actually lighter than me being a 135 lb'r. I had him try to keep exploding out of TSC and I actually did a pretty good job of keeping the position this time compared to last time, but I don't know how good of a gauge it is keeping TSC vs a lighter person. On a progress note, I think that's probably 50-60 reps going to TSC from standard side control as of tonight =D. Only 940 more reps to go to hit my 1,000 reps mark. Ty for the tips coach, I think they helped a lot.

On a side note, we just got a brand new duo of great wrestling coaches. All I have to say is, wrestling is hard as hell and my muscle memory kept me going to 1/2 Guard and full guard when I was getting plowed by take-downs.
04-20-2011, 07:41 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

It always matters. It doesn't mean that it won't work but it definitely makes the position more dynamic and erratic if your opponent is physically capable of bench pressing you. As always, Herzog is dead on. Eddie covered this at the seminar, just like any sidemount against a stronger or skilled opponent, twister side is a dynamic position.

Currently on big dudes, when I get bench pressed off, I panic, overhook their head with my arm and then try to reel myself back towards north south. Now That I learned Eddie's side mount guillotine it ties in perfectly with that overhook grip. I'm not saying you should do this.. I'm just thinking out loud with how I tend to abandon the position when things go bad but my twister side is a mess. I just figured out how to grind dudes out with my backside in order to force them to turn into me and give up the truck.

strange, it didn't post my response to you AJ. Ty for the tips AJ. I guess I'll have to learn how to transition to the side mount guillotine if/when my TSC starts to unravel. I'll search for a training video of it.