how was the universe created out of NOTHING? This question really bugs me sometimes...anyone have any theorys?
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how was the universe created out of NOTHING? This question really bugs me sometimes...anyone have any theorys?
That question won't/can't be answered anytime soon, let alone here. Sorry. People will obviously post what they believe though, knowing they really don't know.
ahh i love talking about this shit
reseach m theory
all i can basically say is that the universe was so condensed that is collapsed into itself
that of we are a spin off of another galaxies end
where the black hole shoots out matter and we form from a little bubble of energy (the big bang)
From a physics perspective all of the energy in the universe sums up to zero, so the universe very well could have come from nothing. At least that's what smarter guys than I have said in lectures that I have attended. Also, observation would seem to indicate that something is a more stable state than nothing, so we should not always assume that nothing is the more natural state of things, as people seem to do.
Frank is right that your question will not be answered here, but I strongly disagree that it can't or won't be any time soon. With the exponential expansion of technology and human intelligence that question will very likely be answered in our lifetimes IMHO.
Stephen Hawking: "The theory of everything"
Or maybe the universe has just always existed. It's almost impossible for our minds to grasp such an idea but maybe the universe has always just been there?
that makes no sense dude
here guys watch these 2 vids
no lie this is as close the answer as we will ever get
the bumpy bubble thing at 0:55 is where all the universes pop out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE7xRgfPjAI
and heres the famous physicist michio kaku talking about different dimensions and black holes where he believes universes recycle themselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8Vr00EBHA
hope that helped!!
When I say anytime soon, the unit of measurement I'm thinking of is more like days or even weeks, not lifetimes. In more specific terms, that question won't be answered by next Saturday. I do agree that a very logical theory of how the universe came about, backed by factual information, will come within our lifetime (hopefully). Like AJ said, it's a really mind blowing idea to think about how something can possibly come from absolutely nothing; just think about it for a minute, crazy.
indead AJ, as humans we simply cant grasp the idea of nothingness or come even slightly close to imagining everything in existence. if we ever do work out these types of questions then i think we would be so advanced and probably so far from humans as we are now that the answers may not even matter to us.
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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
It is contantly crossing my mind that we will NEVER come to the full understanding of the true meaning of "Infinite"
I'm leaning toward the whole black hole/white hole scenario that michio kaku talks about. But who knows, I highly doubt that its just always been here. The matter and elements would have to be a by-product of some event in my mind.
did u watch that vid about the 11th dimension?
I loved the top comment for the 2nd video "Is anyone else in love with Michio in the least gayest way possible?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Elton
I too love talking about this sort of stuff. I've read a theory about a universal life cycle (same as Michio?), starting with the big bang singularity with the creation of time and space, leading eventually to all matter being caught up in black holes, whose event horizons increase to points where they ensare other black holes, until the whole universe is crushed into one big singularity - another big bang! Thus the cycle starts again. What I find difficult to comprehend is where the big bang singularity ACTUALLY IS, since there was no time or space outside of it in which to exist. AND the idea that the universe isn't actually expanding, but rather new space is being created between the galaxies giving the impression of them moving away from each other. Crazy.
yep yep exactly what i was thinking
i agree though idk where it is
its highly unlikely that it was our universe obviously
so its in the 11th dimension :)
we are thousands and thousands of years behind though
Another thing I find crazy is the idea of gravity being a distortion in spacetime rather than a force, and that as I sit here typing this stuff, I am bending the room in towards me (while also being stretched outwards by the room!).
Physics is really interesting. Did you know that one teaspoon of a matter from a neutron star would weigh about 5 billion tonnes?
I could talk about this all day. I'd better stop...
I was thinking the same thing but it's really a crazy thing to think of... like what was BEFORE the universe i mean it couldnt just randomly be here... This question also leads me to multiple questions, like if there really is a god if so how the fuck did he create himself lol or rather how was he created. But this type of stuff is truly facinating i wish joe rogan would talk about it in a video, he always has something interesting to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
I actually have a handle on this question guys. Since we don't have the ability to effectively collect data from other galaxies, ie travel at light speed, teleport, etc, all we can do is speculate. And any situation where we don't have proof, or in a situation where we actually do have proof, we can do what man has always done. We can just claim that it was made by magic ie...omnipotent superbeing. So there's your answer. Magic =D. Also, the world and universe are 5,800-6,000 years old meaning dinosaurs and man totally existed at the same time right? And that carbon dating........no matter how accurate, is wrong about the age of the world because it doesn't fit the concept of what my magical textbook tells me. Silly science, everything is based on magic and superstition damn you! Quit being all logical and evidence based and what not!
My money is on that our galaxy is just a fleck, in a fleck, in a fleck, in a marble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF6aEFFMxjU
If no one sees me after 30 days, it's safe to assume that the Illuminati has captured and killed me for knowing the truth!
That's one of my favorite aspects of physics too. What I love about it most is that the curvature of spacetime is really intuitive; we have the intuition trained out of us in school until we get to college, take more advanced physics, and find out we knew this all along. I always loved this example:Quote:
Originally Posted by James Steele
Take a ball and throw it to someone standing 50 feet away such that it takes about 6 seconds to get there. How would you do that? You'd throw the ball in a high arc like a pop fly ball. Now throw it such that it takes one second. How'd you do that? You threw a hard line drive. OK. Now throw a pop fly that takes one second to get there. You can't. Throw a line drive that takes 6 seconds to get there. You can't. Why not? Because the ball MUST follow the curvature of the space the mass of the Earth creates. It MUST travel along that curve in spacetime -- the time it takes and the space it covers are inseparable.
The best part is that you already knew that. Every kid playing little league knows that without thinking about it. You don't have to calculate the degree of curvature before throwing the ball, you just do it. You don't need to know the equations for general relativity to play baseball. Your brain knows how things travel in curved space because it's always been there throughout your whole existence. You didn't have to go to school to learn it, you just had to go to school to learn the math to describe what your brain already knew. A five-year-old intuitively understands the same physics that results in black holes. I love shit like that. :)
But than where would this "marble" come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiko
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Excellent question, let me check my magic text. Okay there is no section on how the word "marble" came to be, so I get to use my "make it up as we go along clause" to come up with an answer so that I get your continued patronage. "Marble" is a palindrome for Elbram, who happens to be the entire universe's creator of words/language for every alien species. Hail Elbram!Quote:
Originally Posted by Emir Mehovic
i know the answer!!
were all a dream!
we arent existing
we are all just on a time limit and eventually the dream (universe) will end
how the universe got here?
haha well look no further i have another video to share!!
i have all the answers!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
i remember watching this vid a while back
and this is the vid where he basically says that the universe was dense and collapsed into itself
I love Richard Dawkins.
Wonders of the Universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by James Steele
Brent,
I have to give you the most sincere thank you that one can do online. Lawrence Krauss is amazing. I'd like to find the video where Dawkins and Krauss butted heads before they became friends.
lol im sure i can find that somewhere :p
vid gets crazy toward after 3:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Ald5f_nao
I hope Dawkins had kids or nieces/nephews that he instilled with the search for truth. Dawkins is getting older and none of us live forever =(. This is one of those guys who I wish did. We need another staunch spearhead in this world vs magic and superstition.
yes unfortunately him, michio kaku, and stephen hawking
are all getting older and their time will come sooner than ours
but im sure their are still many out their who will look for answers, its our natural instinct as humans to ask questions, and to find the answers to them
As natural as it is for some humans to ask questions, many are still content on the answer to those questions being "magic" or "super-being" or some other fairy tale. It's a little rough on the psyche to think about how little we still really know vs.....knowing it all. The "Knowing it all package" is a muuuch easier package to sell than the scientific "we're still searching for the answers because we really don't know yet" package. "We really have a lot more to learn" and "we have no guarantees" isn't NEARLY as consoling as "we totally know, and if you follow us you'll be in utopia for eternity." By the way, if I get offed.....can someone pretty please show my 4 year old the ways of the 10th Planet Poet/Philosopher/Warrior...minus the weed =D. He's 4!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Elton
lol me and u would both be offed xD
but no worries the government wouldnt kill us just because we know how the universe started xD
but ya i agree alot of people just want to accept that their is a higher being (now im not saying their isnt a god, and im not saying their is) because none of us know, but it leans more towards their not being a man in the sky promising us eternal hapiness if we listen to him, yet it isnt physically possible for their to be a heaven/hell, or for a god to be existing.
just my 2 sense
Yes, I can't prove one exists or doesn't, but evidence is profoundly heavy on the side of there isn't one, vs a few texts that say there is. Damn, I got caught into another one of these types of threads. <3 you Brent, and we could probably do a fishing trip or BBQ and talk about this for hours, but for the sake of our safety, and harmony on the forums, I gotta pull out my neutrality inducing self quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Elton
Less politics and religion, more jiu jitsu!
haha