Flexibility vs Strength which do you prefer?

First of all a 5 pound bucket of Barbeque is wonderful (only if you combine it with hamburger buns). Anyhow, I'm a weak guy I won't lie but I do rely on some flexibility. Boom in my half guard there is a carni do to my flexibility, boom shit like that happens when your flexible. Do you ever think about how we are a floating rock full of water orbiting a giant ball of fuck, i mean flame, through out space? No that's off subject. But no I rate my flexibility a 10/10 and it saves me when escapeing (or however you spell the damn shit) sorry for languareege. and it saves me when i escape mount. unless you rtalking about we roolingggggg with purple belts and above. then im fucke. (brandon mc is at purple but is not promoted yet) . anyhow. my strength is like a 4/10. So flexibility a 10/10 and strength a 4/10. hey. i believe strength could be more important but im not blessed like that. Be good Nibiru friends :)

I'm with ya. My flexibility is good but I'm weak with a bad back! You can also rely on good technique.

i would take unlimited cardio over both. flexibility over strength, for sure.

and i'm a blue belt, yo.

too much crack today Don?

I think you need flexibility for sure. I have also found that you do need some strength or more likely a functional strength that can be used over and over again. No one give a shit about how much you bench, ya know. Doesn't translate in a roll or fight. So how do I go about it? Bulgarian bag workouts! Along with some monkey bars! Helps with the conditioning and provides resistance training along with tons of grip work. Ok so that was a long way to say both! :)

CARDIO! Good call. More important than both for sure if your talkin high competition. Mine sucks.

There has to be a balance with strength and flexibility. As long as you can handle your skeleton well, I would lean toward flexi as well. Strength that applies toward explosiveness is pretty damn useful though, so is a good squeeze.. Shit I dont know.

Anybody who cant appreciate good barbecue is a reh-tard.

This next guy probably hates barbecue..

Strength helps you stop subs and helps you sub them easier. Who cares if you can but both legs behind your head, when all you need to do is jump guard and kimura

I would go with invisibility.

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Originally Posted by 3rdeye

I would go with invisibility.

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+1

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Originally Posted by 3rdeye

I would go with invisibility.

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Invisibility wouldn't be that good - you've never grappled blind folded?

I'd say that the ability to control spacetime would be pretty good, but I'd settle for a skeleton made of adamantium (ala Wolverine). Try and arm bar me now!!!!

I'm constantly training for both. I heard a cool phrase somewhere online and it kinda stuck with me..."Elastic Steel".
I always think of trying to become Elastic Steel. In my mind, technique and flexibility are far more important than strength and cardio but why not train it all since you don't have to choose?

Both obviously. I can deadlift 400 but if I could deadlift 550, my bridges and other escapes would be even better.

technique over both of them, of course. you don't need to pick between the three..develop all of them

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Originally Posted by Patrick Carey

Both obviously. I can deadlift 400 but if I could deadlift 550, my bridges and other escapes would be even better.

technique over both of them, of course. you don't need to pick between the three..develop all of them

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i can't deadlift shit... i have the strength of a 150 lb man in a 250 lb body, and the flexibility of a 2x4:(

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Originally Posted by Joe Friday

i can't deadlift shit... i have the strength of a 150 lb man in a 250 lb body, and the flexibility of a 2x4:(

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lol I don't look that strong (only 175) so people shit bricks when they feel me go all out. that only happens when someone's a dick, though.

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Originally Posted by Joe Friday

i can't deadlift shit... i have the strength of a 150 lb man in a 250 lb body, and the flexibility of a 2x4:(

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r u kidding me? your strong as hell. your escape from an omaplata was slinging my whole body across the whole room.

I'm literally the weakest dude in my gym in the advanced adult striking, nogi mma, and the wrestling class *where physical strength is HUGE.* Doesn't bother me though since I'm getting stronger every time I train, and I love how the strong wrestlers spend 100% of their efforts keeping me from clinching them when they're in my closed guard. They've been in the basic RG path enough times to know they don't want to be in it anymore. I'm thinking I need to work setups to get into free New Yorks. How high % is the kimura attempt into NY?

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I'm literally the weakest dude in my gym in the advanced adult striking, nogi mma, and the wrestling class *where physical strength is HUGE.* Doesn't bother me though since I'm getting stronger every time I train, and I love how the strong wrestlers spend 100% of their efforts keeping me from clinching them when they're in my closed guard. They've been in the basic RG path enough times to know they don't want to be in it anymore. I'm thinking I need to work setups to get into free New Yorks. How high % is the kimura attempt into NY?

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iv never used it, i do a lot of crackhead control with a pumpy arm bars. When they go to posture up is when i hit a zombie. i don't think iv ever kimured anybody ever.

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Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

iv never used it, i do a lot of crackhead control with a pumpy arm bars. When they go to posture up is when i hit a zombie. i don't think iv ever kimured anybody ever.

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All I get now when in closed guard is people going 100% backwards and up to pull out of my guard lol. I should be able to sink in arm bars from there right?

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All I get now when in closed guard is people going 100% backwards and up to pull out of my guard lol. I should be able to sink in arm bars from there right?

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Yeah thats what i do. when they go backwards i just squeeze my knees together and usually get the arm bar without having to throw your foot over their face. When a man postures up real quick and explodes hes already locking his arms out for you. Anyhow thats just what i do. Take that with a grain of fuck and a bottle of paint.

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Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

Take that with a grain of fuck and a bottle of paint.

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You know what? As crazy as that sounds, I'll totally try to do your grain and bottle technique =D. Squeeze the knees and pop the hips for the arm bar.

Strength is not an option lol. Flexibility and knowledge.

How can strength not be an option? oO

i think strength wins we just compare the two one their own. BUT i think flexibility and speed (specifically with regards to positioning and footwork) can match strength. that's why you see jeff glover destroying dudes larger than him.

i'm not talking about guys who are rolling 100% with all their energy, i'm talking about fluid movement and being very dynamic, not holding any position for too long and keeping an opponent guessing. lots of white belts get to one position and burn all their energy in that one spot and the opponent knows exactly what they're doing.

there is this dude who is a 10th planet purple belt who aspire to grapple like. there are a few vids of him on the net and he has fantastic footwork and positioning. its like poetry. crushing strength has no value of you can't get a good hold of someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7MBb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpng9-rvfRY&feature=related

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i think strength wins we just compare the two one their own. BUT i think flexibility and speed (specifically with regards to positioning and footwork) can match strength. that's why you see jeff glover destroying dudes larger than him.

i'm not talking about guys who are rolling 100% with all their energy, i'm talking about fluid movement and being very dynamic, not holding any position for too long and keeping an opponent guessing. lots of white belts get to one position and burn all their energy in that one spot and the opponent knows exactly what they're doing.

there is this dude who is a 10th planet purple belt who aspire to grapple like. there are a few vids of him on the net and he has fantastic footwork and positioning. its like poetry. crushing strength has no value of you can't get a good hold of someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7MBbfKI3ac&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpng9-rvfRY&feature=related

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All the points you made are one of the main reasons why I LOVE nogi jiu jitsu.

Strength. Anyone with decent work ethic can GREATLY improve their flexibility in 6 month, and have a very high level in a year. Not the case with strength, though it is, IMO the Third easiest physical attribute to improve (cardio is easiest, Flexibility second, and strength next) and has a high ceiling at the end, it takes a few years to really hit your potential.

mmmmmmmm! flexibility! when I started getting flexabile and startde to practice the 10thplanet system it got me out of alot of bad positions and of course cardio.

Good work ethic and smart training you can easily develope strength.

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Originally Posted by IrishSheep

Good work ethic and smart training you can easily develope strength.

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but you can develop flexibilty faster, and easier, so I sort of miss the point I guess. Flexibility is easier to develop than strength, so if we have to start with one and develop the other, who in the world wouldnt want to start with the Harder attribute to develop?

Nobody is the same. Genetic predispositions make certain attributes easier than others for different people.

I like high pain tolerance and submission immunity =D. Anyone here have that?

You've got to work at improving all of your attributes both mental and physical. Knowledge and technique are of the highest importance along with cardio. Then comes strength and flexibility, and they are of equal importance but, you can be greatly lacking in one of these two areas, as long as you have the knowledge, technique and cardio, and still be a great grappler. I personally prefer developing both, because both can give you more options for a wider variety of situations.

In bjj or sub wrestling i'd definitely say flexibility, but MMA strength becomes a lot more important