JJ Ethic's Question

So I train at Carlson Gracie miami under Michael "buiu" Porfirio, He's a great teacher and person. Everyone there is super nice and Ive only heard one or two comments about 10thp ( none of which from him). There isnt an overwhelming sense of hate towards the system. My dilemma comes from the fact that they actively compete and Its my Goal to compete but I will be competing under the 10thplanet flag along side my HotBox brothers not team C.Gracie, which is my main gym if im not with the hotbox.

How do I approach the topic that when we compete Ill be on a opposing team without being disrespectful ?

Straight up- talk to them. let them know that you want to compete and that you would like to do it without disrespecting them. Ask what would make them comfortable and go from there.
I would just try and mention that you want to help support a small group of friends who train a little differently than those at your current (CG) gym.

personally, since I mostly stick with nogi, ive had students of mine ask about training other places with the gi. Any good instructor/training partner will tell you to go out and find out what works best for you. I WANT my students to challenge themselves by trying new things. its a matter of personal preference.

when I've been asked by my students what to do in a situation like yours, I, first-off, THANK them for having the respect to talk to me. THAT takes guts. Then from there, I try to help them anyway that I can to make sure they are doing what is best for them.
dont get me wrong, it is a bummer when a student asks that. its even a bigger bummer when someone moves to a different gym, and is now competing against you. But like i said, any good instructor will only encourage a student to get out there and try new things. I know I am doing a good job when they try new things and come BACK.

Hopefully that helps a lil.

Interesting question and it's both possible and probable that there are others in the same situation as you. There could be the one or two guys in your main gym who give you flack for flying the 10th Planet Flag at a tourney, but that's nothing new. I mean all you can do is be honest and say how much you love NoGi jiu jitsu and that you love 10th Planet for it. At that point if someone is mean to you or not, you were honest and up front, which is respectable behavior. I don't guarantee respectable behavior in return though. You can only control your own actions, not others. I'm have faith that if Coach Porfirio is as cool as you say, that he won't throw rocks at you during the tournament while you roll during your matches =D.

Handle that shit! Break his big ass down!

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Intrested in what the other 10th Planet Instructors have to say about this topic. ?

Well sir. I compete in my 10th Planet Rashguard tapping people with rubberguard and swim moves but register under my gyms name so we get team medals. Once people from our "hotbox if you will" registered under my gyms name as well to help with the medal count. That could be a possibility. If you train somewhere and go to the same tournament I would definitely see it as weird not to rep them.

Well I intend on wearing my fight shorts which have their logo on it ( getting a 10th patch soon) so I will be showing respect to them since I train their and really respect the time they've given me and what not.

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Who do you train with more?

Who gives you the biggest challenge?
Bring them to your gym on an open mat night. It helps both of your games. They really should join your gym as well and ya'll keep burnin with the windows up on the side. But, if they go to open mat and gel their should be no issue. If you respect both sides you should merge and not separate. Is your instructor anti 10p?

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Who do you train with more?

Who gives you the biggest challenge?
Bring them to your gym on an open mat night. It helps both of your games. They really should join your gym as well and ya'll keep burnin with the windows up on the side. But, if they go to open mat and gel their should be no issue. If you respect both sides you should merge and not separate. Is your instructor anti 10p?

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I train at C.Gracie more but I suspect thats gonna change now that Brandons down here. I get more challenge from the gracie but simply because there are more people to roll with. The other members of the hot box that I train with regularly train at a MMA gym and we usually do open mat together at that gym. I joined the gracie school because of my work schedule, they allowed me to be able to train mon - sat mornings. because my schedule differs from all the hot box members we are divided there.\

oh and Master Buiu is not Anti-10p he incourages us to go do free trails at other schools, he says itll let us know we want to be there even more.

Joey, your profile pic is hilarious. Is that your Steve Urkle impersonation?

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Joey, your profile pic is hilarious. Is that your Steve Urkle impersonation?

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Thats gonna be my victory face!

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Thats gonna be my victory face!

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Awesome.http://images2.makefive.com/images/e...ve-urkel-7.jpg

Joey, my opinion is: Unless you are on the Gracie schools comp team and getting free classes or discounted classes, the way I see it is you are a paying customer. You also, assumingly, pay your own way to enter comps. There is no rule or law saying that just because you learn from them you are obligated to rep them. You are completely within your rights not to unless permitted by the tournament. I know with some smaller no gi comps you don't necessarily have to rep a school. You can enter as an independent. I mean if you're competing gi, then yeah of chose rep Gracie. But if you're competing no gi and don't need a school backing you to enter, then rep 10. Rep both even. Do what you want to do. What are they going to do? Kick you out of their school? Of course not, they're not going to want to lose students. Just my $0.02.

Maybe you could respect both by competing in no-gi with us under 10th Planet Miami Hotbox and in gi under C. Gracie. That is only if you are doing gi and nogi comp?

Guy's. Loyalty is super important to me and I know its important to Eddie. (not trying to speak for him at all here but I am just saying). Either way someone's feelings are going to be hurt. If you rep 10th Planet jj then your Gracie family will not like it at all and I don't care how much they say it doesn't mean anything because it does. If you rep them, then your feelings are going to be hurt as you want nothing more than to rep the 10th Planet family. I get that totally.

This is, unfortunately never easy and let me tell you, it will not go down easy with them if your loyalty goes with 10th Planet believe me.

If you are prepared to lose training there then go ahead and rep us, as you always have to imagine the worst case scenario. Most of the time, if you are a beginner or novice, no one will really give a shit. BUT, if you are a potential player, then they will act differently. Trust me, if you were a blue/Purple they would care much more.

If losing them entirely is not in your plan, then just rep them and ( keep your Gracie loyalty) and still smash fools with our 10 tech madness! Maybe with your success they might come around quicker, and soften the blow as you gently steer them into your grand design ( hot box etc for no gi)

Or maybe Roach clip has a point about gi = Gracie and No gi = 10th planetjj, but for me, in my honest opinion, you will burn your mates at the Gracie school you belong to. I just cant see them liking it at all. Call me a pessimist, but that is my honest opinion.

Time will tell.......believe me!
Just my take on things.

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Guy's. Loyalty is super important to me and I know its important to Eddie. (not trying to speak for him at all here but I am just saying). Either way someone's feelings are going to be hurt. If you rep 10th Planet jj then your Gracie family will not like it at all and I don't care how much they say it doesn't mean anything because it does. If you rep them, then your feelings are going to be hurt as you want nothing more than to rep the 10th Planet family. I get that totally.

This is, unfortunately never easy and let me tell you, it will not go down easy with them if your loyalty goes with 10th Planet believe me.

If you are prepared to lose training there then go ahead and rep us, as you always have to imagine the worst case scenario. Most of the time, if you are a beginner or novice, no one will really give a shit. BUT, if you are a potential player, then they will act differently. Trust me, if you were a blue/Purple they would care much more.

If losing them entirely is not in your plan, then just rep them and ( keep your Gracie loyalty) and still smash fools with our 10 tech madness! Maybe with your success they might come around quicker, and soften the blow as you gently steer them into your grand design ( hot box etc for no gi)

Or maybe Roach clip has a point about gi = Gracie and No gi = 10th planetjj, but for me, in my honest opinion, you will burn your mates at the Gracie school you belong to. I just cant see them liking it at all. Call me a pessimist, but that is my honest opinion.

Time will tell.......believe me!
Just my take on things.

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Rep both even.

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Can u see about putting on both their patch and a 10th planet patch? At least this way if u enter no-gi as 10th then least their school is still shown. As a paying client I agree at the end of the day it's a business too so if u pay ur fees, are respectful and whatnot I feel like that should be fair enough for everyone.

Couple things to think about:

1.) If you roll under 10th planet at the tourney, it may stop you from getting promoted in the Gracie place. Just telling you, maybe you don't care.

Imagine you were a black belt and you had a student under you that was a white belt and then one day the student shows up with a blue belt and tells you that some other black belt promoted him, so now he's blue. You'd probably be pissed because you are the only one that should promote your student.

If you roll under 10th planet, then you are claiming 10th planet as your school and therefore a Gracie guy shouldn't promote you out of respect for 10th planet.

2.) If you did get promoted by a school and you still attend that school, you should represent the school that promoted you. If say, 10th planet gave you a blue belt and then you show up at a tournament and roll as a blue belt under Gracie, that would be very strange.

This is a bit of a tough one for a couple reasons.
1. I don’t know about you but I couldn’t rep a school that I didn’t go too. I get pissed when someone reps us because they came to a couple classes then gets there ass waxed at their match. Then all of a sudden your reputation as a school gets jacked.
2. Loyalty! They are putting work in you and you don’t give them credit…… Some may be cool with it but that is a smack in the face to me.
Maybe you are new and don’t care because you don’t have a bond with any school yet work on what is going to work for you. Till then work on your sh!t and win worry about repping when you got some wins under your belt. Good luck!