Have you been in this situation and if so how did you deal with it. I have the lockdown on my opponents right leg and I have secured the double under hooks, however my opponent has head control with his left arm and his holding on for dear life, I could not move him to get to whip up and could not get electric chair as he has head control with his left hand...please can you help me with a solution for next time round...
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Actually no i get stuck before the double under hooks since I can't force my opponents head towards two o clock like Eddie shows on the DVD. Once I get the under hooks, I usually sweep.
One of the things you can do is whip back and forth sometimes they let go when they start getting whipped around. Also, if you have to whip us as much as u can and get to your side. It doesn't have to be a huge whip up, just enough room for you to move a bit. If you can get to your side you can still work the paths. Just my thoughts. Its what I do when somebody wants to try and hold on to me.
If he has your head he is not going to be able to base out on that side. Never just lay there constantly whip to try to throw off his base. Make sure DU are perfect. Hard to grab someone's head if their ear is listening to your heartbeat. Keep fighting to get on your side then dipset and do it again til it works if not think about stomp or prison.
i started noticing the same problem after i was using the whip up after a while. some big or technical people caught on and realized they can keep your shoulders pinned to the mat with head and arm control or even just head control.
so iv been left with a few options; rocking back and forth with the whip up until i can get my shoulders off the ground, or jamming my arm inside of their headlock to get bicep control so i can start going for the stomp and other options.
You can stomp.
He would have base on his left side with his left leg and right side with his right arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Thaxton
Electric Clinch>Stretching legs, Angry Rainbow,Shrugging him off> Electric Chair
ehh.. video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
I'm pretty sure Eddie did it on one of the MTS, not 100% sure though.
i bet you that your right.. except he must have given it a different name. if only i knew which episode...
honestly im just going crazy with butterfly guard atm. im thinking that the stomp would be the best option to nullify someone with good shoulder pinning.
Not exactly what Zog suggested but mts 15 has a nice option.
Yes! I was thinking about same side arm/leg. Make him base the leg and take full guard :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I don't know what's up with my whip up, but I find it very hard to whip up guys heavier than me, which is most of my gym. Being 149 and lean is fun, but makes my 1/2 guard game a real workout since most guys are 160-180 that I roll with. Do I need to put more effort into core exercises like hanging leg lifts, crunches, kettle bells etc, or is this a technique thing. I haven't yet successfully whipped up my 190 pound buddy even an inch. Yes I have double underhooks.
Stephen, we worked on something similar to this. We used the whip down (in this case you would be whipping to your left) which will force him to post out with his right hand (or be swept). As we whip down we are on our left hip (even if he is holding on for dear life). Then we start to shrug while controlling his right arm with our left. Once we freed the head I believe we switched to a calf crank or an ankle lock but it's been a while and I'm going from memory. I hope this makes sense.
mts 15Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Ludington
It's funny because I have all of the descriptions for all of the techniques - EXCEPT 15 LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
Ya, it doesn't have any time stamp descriptions just a title.
I'm loving the whip down. Hitting a leg lock on anyone at Empire has grown considerably more difficult over the years and that one from MTS 15 is no exception, but because everybody's afraid of the ankle lock you can use the whip down to get them to shift their weight and switch to the whip up. Gotta have your shrimping together for that, but it works.
Core work will help of course, but it's as much technique (or more) as anything; even with the heavy guys. STRETCH that lockdown before you begin to whip. That moves his hips further down and takes some of the pressure off of your upper body; especially if he's a big guy, you aren't whipping him anywhere if his hips are higher than yours. Coach always points out this detail too: try to knee him square in the ass when you're whipping. Extend the lockdown, heels up, knee him HARD in the ass, and shrimp to your side. If your lockdown is solid you won't really hit him in the ass; the mechanics of trying to do that with his leg locked down will lift his hips and create the space you need to get to your side.
Doesnt Coach Alder have a video out there deaing with having difficulty getting the whip up?
Are you referring to the thumbs in the armpit method?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Thank you to everyone that has contributed to answering my question, at 2:21 mins on MTS 15 Eddie address my issue in detail and gives us some really cool options, the technique is call "Whip down to Five O' control to heel hook" check it out, its looks very cool and I will be putting in the reps to make this work next time...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QHRSfg6XGr...elson-haha.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Rowley
I was waiting for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian quinto
on heavy guys i usually get on my hip and slide my ass out, move my underhook down to his waist then old school or under hook the far leg... kinda like a deep halfguard with lockdown
O you just roll over on your hip? That's a great idea! What is with all this whip up non sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Nowling
That's cool you should come up with a name for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Nowling
i just put this up see if you can work this man, i think its a good alternative let me know if it works well for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug5DzR6AjxI
i also encountered this last week. i was thinking after and figure perhaps do jaws of life on the oppisite side and swap ypur right side underhook for an over hook or somthing? anyone got any thoughts on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Rowley
today i tried the tip my instructor gave me to get onto my side with the whip up, which was basically rocking back and forth to get momentum and get my shoulders further off the ground with each rock. it seems to be working like a treat.
You gotta beast mode your whip up. Like he said rocking back and forth also jerking with your lockdown to compromise base ever so slightly to whip them the he'll up. Transitioning to butterfly or full guard is always another option if he's not giving you what you want. That vaporizer from the whip up less 'old school' is not going to help his situation on anyone with solid base. Next time I roll my mom I'll definitely give it a shot, she might have too much base as well though.
If he only has head control, shimmy out and threaten to take his back. He'll grab a whizzer then threaten a mechanic sweep. This should have him open to play your game.
He buddy, do your self a favor take this off youtube asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Kinney
Yeah. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I get the idea and not trying to slam on you too hard but there are about fifteen mistakes in your lockdown -> whip-up -> Old School that need fixing first. It's not about an injured grappling dummy, it's about getting the details right. If you're gonna show a technique you've gotta have the mechanics of the set up down solid and show them that way. We light up Ken Primola for showing how to "smash" the rubber guard when the rubber guard he's "smashing" isn't even a half decent Mission Control. The foundations matter; the details matter. Start there THEN show the gee whiz new technique.
Thanks for cleanin that tech up. Eddie's was way to technical, tight, and effective. Let us no other easier ways to do these crazy techs. Way too hardQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Kinney