what the heck is 93 guard.. and also, hear out the sweep ive been hitting like crazy

eddie has mentioned 93 guard a couple of times in MTS and i'm not too sure what he's referring to.. the only 93 guard i know is a robson moura gi half scissor guard.. is there a no gi variation of it that people are using? or is this 93 guard something else entirely?

he mentions 93 guard in ep5 during the butterfly sweep portion... and to tell you the truth, the real reason i made this thread was to tell you about this sweep that has been working wonders for me recently. in ep5, eddie said that he never goes to super stomp with double underhooks except if he traps their post, but i found another sweep from double underhooks super stomp that hasn't failed me yet.. it isn't too complicated though i don't recall seeing it anywhere else..

well here's the basic gist of the move...
get to the lockdown with double underhooks, get to super stomp, get that pimp arm strong against their free knee so that you've got one underhook plus a pimp arm.. now you simply just swim your leg curl out to kick off the ground while you use the pimp arm to push their free knee inside and lift them over with the butterfly hook at the same time. the underhook is the reason it works.

now i know what you're thinking, what about their arms posting out? the cool thing about this move, besides the fact that it's fast and unexpected, is that it can't be stopped by posting as easily as you'd think, because the pimp arm pushing their knee inside plus the butterfly hook takes away pretty much all the base in their legs.

i stumbled upon this jewel by chance, a bit more then a week ago, but iv been looking for it and hitting it quite often since then, its probably my favorite half guard sweep at the moment... let me know if I'm plagiarizing :D

If i'm not mistaken Chris Hertzog of 10th planet rochester goes over something similar in a video you can find on youtube and i can't remember what it's called at the moment. Might be called escapes from side control.

93 guard, z guard, 3/4 guard... It's when you have full guard and your opponent pass over one of you legs and you're left with a butterfly hook.

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Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert

93 guard, z guard, 3/4 guard... It's when you have full guard and your opponent pass over one of you legs and you're left with a butterfly hook.

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+1

geez you two guys have almost identical profile pictures.. they must have been taken 5 minutes apart.
so 93 guard is the same as z guard? as in the z guard here?
http://www.grapplearts.com/Glossary_BJJ_Half_Guard.htm
which pretty much is half scissor guard, like i said.. no butterfly hooks as far as i can see

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Abdou

geez you two guys have almost identical profile pictures.. they must have been taken 5 minutes apart.
so 93 guard is the same as z guard? as in the z guard here?
http://www.grapplearts.com/Glossary_BJJ_Half_Guard.htm
which pretty much is half scissor guard, like i said.. no butterfly hooks as far as i can see

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Lmfao about 3 min. Here's a lil magic for you...the time stamp on my profile pic is 4:20! Score! :-)

Yeah nevermind. Z guard you have a knee shield. I haven't worked on it much I'm more into the deep half and lockdown right now.

Should definitely work the z guard, I love it

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Originally Posted by Joshua Dungan

If i'm not mistaken Chris Hertzog of 10th planet rochester goes over something similar in a video you can find on youtube and i can't remember what it's called at the moment. Might be called escapes from side control.

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Josh are you refering to "The Ghost" side control escape?

Post video or die.

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Originally Posted by Chris Ludington

Post video or die.

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No video yet. He must have died then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9D4...78E8EF52288864,,

Aesopian has a good z-guard series on youtube if you're interested in some of the fundamentals of the position and some basic sweeps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLpl_H_LaBA

That's weirdest thing. I've just started using Z-Guard last week without knowing what it was because I was just working options on a scissors sweep and just last night I wrote out all these moves and then come on here today to find this "Z-Guard" thing with all the stuff I wrote out last night. This is definitely the best way to finish a kimura IMO. So much more leverage.

i cant post vids cause my training partners keep making excuses.. and besides isn't there some rule that you cant post them here anyway unless your a badasse brown belt? or is that only if you're wearing 10th planet apparel or something..

anyway here's a better question, in the ep11 hazellet segment, eddie mentions 2002 guard.. now i have no idea what the heck thats supposed to be..

i'm really interested in seeing this sweep of yours. i noticed that this is right from double-unders lockdown which i'm sure a bunch of people would just use instead of going to the stomp and such.

well, it is from the stomp, except with an underhook instead of an overhook.
theres actually two ways to get there, you can get the stomp first and then fish the underhook, which is probably easier to get from the stomp then it is from the lockdown.

or you can get the double unders and then stomp them like i already mentioned. this is also cool because sometimes you get the double unders but you cant whip up. so now if you end up in lockdown and cant whip up, you can stomp them instead and theres a sweep right there.

i should give a prize to whoever can tell me what 2002 guard is...

anyway, i was playing today... figured out a few things about that swep.
firstly, its important you use that pimp arm to remove the base from their free knee, by pushing it forward, before you go for the sweep.
also, it turns out that the sweep can be stopped, but only if the guy posts on both his hands. its a non issue though, because at this point, both their legs will be in midair. you can easily use it to pull guard if you have to. you could probably even use it to transition into the pyramid..