grapevining the leg..????!!

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06-22-2011, 02:40 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

grapevining the leg..????!!

Got practice in 3 and a half hours so hopefully someone can help me out with this...

I get into twister side control and everything is gravy it's all good.. sometimes the purples roll me but whatever. my issue is grapevining the leg. it seems like when they shrimp into me their top leg never crosses over the bottom so I have a tough time hooking it. I try guiding their leg with my hand but it's like they sense something coming and push against it... and of course their leg is stronger than my arm.

I usually stay in twister for a minute and try and hook the leg then go to standard side control and work my regular game for a minute. What's going on?? Should I spend all my time trying to get this down or what? My issue really isn't getting rolled, it's hooking the leg..

help me out?
06-22-2011, 02:55 PM
Jonathan Wylie

You can't force them to turn into you but if they do you use your top leg to peel their top leg back far enough to hook it with your bottom. You either get the leg or you get the mount.
06-22-2011, 03:01 PM
AJ Camacho

Try smashing their face more with your back/ass. Sometimes that is enough to force them into a decision.
06-22-2011, 03:28 PM
Tony "The Goods" Garcia

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

Try smashing their face more with your back/ass. Sometimes that is enough to force them into a decision.

+1 It helps them make up their mind a lil quicker.
06-22-2011, 05:07 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

Try smashing their face more with your back/ass.

Twister Side Control attitude/theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL2txMU50CI
06-22-2011, 05:08 PM
Ash "Lottery" Woods

Lmao ^^^^
06-22-2011, 05:32 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

You can't force them to turn into you but if they do you use your top leg to peel their top leg back far enough to hook it with your bottom. You either get the leg or you get the mount.

didn't say i was forcing them to turn into me, I meant guiding the leg with my hand when they already had turned into me. good advice about the top leg, makes more sense than using my arm to fight his leg.
06-22-2011, 05:35 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

Try smashing their face more with your back/ass. Sometimes that is enough to force them into a decision.

ok Ill do that
06-22-2011, 05:36 PM
chronic_jiujitsu

For me.. (and im a white belt so take this with a grain of salt).. If i get twister side.. And they wont cross their far leg over.. I will usually just reach under there close leg and over there far one (somewhat like what you do when you guide their leg with your hand.. only in reverse).. And I will literally try to pull them onto their stomach. (usually you wont get them there.. but if you do then you can just get the truck from there and move on).. But assuming you dont get them onto their stomach.. They will usually then try to resist that by twisting the opposite way.. and when they do that.. let go and grab the leg as it crosses over so you can get the grapevine.. then proceed with the path of your choosing from there.
06-22-2011, 06:02 PM
Jonathan Wylie

Im sorry but this doesn't make any sense are you talking about the fishnet after they turn on there side or are you saying you weave your arm through their legs when they are still on their back, knees up?
06-22-2011, 06:31 PM
Matt Grubb

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Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

Got practice in 3 and a half hours so hopefully someone can help me out with this...

I get into twister side control and everything is gravy it's all good.. sometimes the purples roll me but whatever. my issue is grapevining the leg. it seems like when they shrimp into me their top leg never crosses over the bottom so I have a tough time hooking it. I try guiding their leg with my hand but it's like they sense something coming and push against it... and of course their leg is stronger than my arm.

I usually stay in twister for a minute and try and hook the leg then go to standard side control and work my regular game for a minute. What's going on?? Should I spend all my time trying to get this down or what? My issue really isn't getting rolled, it's hooking the leg..

help me out?

Mount them, it will make them make a decision more next time, they'll start worrying about defending the mount instead of whats going on in side.

i'm not sure were your actual problem is, whether its the leg not coming acrossat all or not being able to get it to where you want it.

but my issue was i was hooking round the knee and couldn't get it, across they were still to strong. hook there ankle instead and draw it across with your ankle, i find it easier, they have less strength to pull back with, plus it leaves more of a gap, to shoot, my other ankle up to grapevine... once again not sure if this is what your looking for, but hope it helps?
06-22-2011, 06:41 PM
Jonathan Wylie

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Originally Posted by Matt Grubb

but my issue was i was hooking round the knee and couldn't get it, across they were still to strong. hook there ankle instead and draw it across with your ankle, i find it easier, they have less strength to pull back with, plus it leaves more of a gap, to shoot, my other ankle up to grapevine... once again not sure if this is what your looking for, but hope it helps?

good point.
06-22-2011, 06:42 PM
bobby rivers

The hog tie to fishnet or mount.
06-22-2011, 10:06 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Im sorry but this doesn't make any sense are you talking about the fishnet after they turn on there side or are you saying you weave your arm through their legs when they are still on their back, knees up?

Why doesen't it make sense? No I'm not talking about either of those things. I am talking about cupping the back of his top leg as he's turning into me and guiding it over my bottom leg as it clearly says on step two page 49 of the grapevine section. Like I said my issue is guiding his top leg over my bottom leg with my hand to hook it because it seems like they sense something coming and keep their top leg behind their bottom leg as they're shrimping into me.

So basically I feel as if my only options from there is to go to mount, go back to side, try a kimura or hook his bottom leg instead of the top which would be retarded because that would take me backwards from twister side control to being in his half guard.
06-22-2011, 10:10 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Grubb

Mount them, it will make them make a decision more next time, they'll start worrying about defending the mount instead of whats going on in side.

i'm not sure were your actual problem is, whether its the leg not coming acrossat all or not being able to get it to where you want it.

but my issue was i was hooking round the knee and couldn't get it, across they were still to strong. hook there ankle instead and draw it across with your ankle, i find it easier, they have less strength to pull back with, plus it leaves more of a gap, to shoot, my other ankle up to grapevine... once again not sure if this is what your looking for, but hope it helps?

my problem is not getting the leg I want to hook where I want it to be when he's shrimping into me. ok I will go to mount more often and make them more paranoid about that then try and go for twister if I see the opportunity.
06-22-2011, 10:14 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby rivers

The hog tie to fishnet or mount.

ok thanks. looks like I gotta hit the books some more.
06-22-2011, 10:16 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

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Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

Why doesen't it make sense? No I'm not talking about either of those things. I am talking about cupping the back of his top leg as he's turning into me and guiding it over my bottom leg as it clearly says on step two page 49 of the grapevine section. Like I said my issue is guiding his top leg over my bottom leg with my hand to hook it because it seems like they sense something coming and keep their top leg behind their bottom leg as they're shrimping into me.

So basically I feel as if my only options from there is to go to mount, go back to side, try a kimura or hook his bottom leg instead of the top which would be retarded because that would take me backwards from twister side control to being in his half guard.

or try all those other nifty subs from twister side but what I really wanna learn is to effectively hook that leg without fucking up or the buzzer going off b4 anything happens.
06-22-2011, 10:18 PM
Jonathan Wylie

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Originally Posted by Isaiah Mendoza

Why doesen't it make sense? No I'm not talking about either of those things. I am talking about cupping the back of his top leg as he's turning into me and guiding it over my bottom leg as it clearly says on step two page 49 of the grapevine section. Like I said my issue is guiding his top leg over my bottom leg with my hand to hook it because it seems like they sense something coming and keep their top leg behind their bottom leg as they're shrimping into me.

So basically I feel as if my only options from there is to go to mount, go back to side, try a kimura or hook his bottom leg instead of the top which would be retarded because that would take me backwards from twister side control to being in his half guard.

I was referring to chronic jiu jitsu's post. But since you brought it up again I will reinforce my original advice with video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCLw_luslE
06-22-2011, 10:30 PM
Isaiah Mendoza

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

I was referring to chronic jiu jitsu's post. But since you brought it up again I will reinforce my original advice with video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCLw_luslE

sorry about that. good link.
06-22-2011, 10:49 PM
Matt Grubb

Once you go to mount, bait them into qrtr guard and grapevine from there??
06-22-2011, 10:50 PM
Jonathan Wylie

Unless you are going straight to the back for the rnc I would add the fishnet to get to the truck and fake the foot lock to set up the twister. The fishnet offers a lot more control and if you try it on a 10th planet guy with out the fish net you could get your back taken.
06-23-2011, 04:23 AM
chronic_jiujitsu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Im sorry but this doesn't make any sense are you talking about the fishnet after they turn on there side or are you saying you weave your arm through their legs when they are still on their back, knees up?

My bad i should have been more specific.. I was actually talking about both of those things. First I "reverse fishnet" if you will (while they are still on there back, knees up).. and using that.. i pull the far leg towards me and push against them in attempt to flip them onto there knees. (at which point you would just continue as usual with the truck, proceeded by either rolling forward or pulling them onto you).. but usually they dont ACTUALLY flip onto their knees when you go for it.. instead they defend by turning towards you to prevent from you taking there back.. at which time you would wait until you feel a lot of resistance.. and then let go of the "reverse fishnet". This will usually cause the far leg to overcompensate and cross over for just a second or two.. but its plenty of time to acquire the actual fishnet or just peel their leg back and go straight into the truck.. I hope that made a little more sense that time.. its sometimes hard for me to write out exactly how i see something in my head :P
06-23-2011, 09:13 AM
bobby rivers

I know what your talkin bout chronic. I still hogtie there too. If they've bin put in a couple the hogtie is the best way to obtain fishnet off twister side imo.