Jiu Jitsu Doesn't Work Unless You're an Idiot!

Article up on www.fiveknuckles.com mentions 10th Planet Charlotte. We'll it kinda mentions it. :)

http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news...an-idiot!.html

I think he is saying the same thing Eddie did, when Eddie said wrestlers are learning Jiu Jitsu defense, but guys guards aren't getting better. He just has a more prickely way of wording it.

I like the commentary. It doesn't say flat out "you are wrong," but rather supports the other side of the argument, and then explains that debates like this are great and necessary for the sport to evolve. It manages to state an opinion without attacking anybody.

Side note: If BJJ only works on idiots, then I must be a legitimate retard, because I train it every day, and I get tapped about 100 times per week or more

I like the stats.

I think it is a silly statement. BJJ doesn't work as often because people train BJJ. Just like Boxing isn't as mystical because all MMA fighters train boxing. Wrestling as well. It is no longer UFC - it's MMA. The UFC is just the well known brand. But people forget that this is no longer just two guys fighting - this is a sport full of talented athletes and in order to be successful I think one has to treat all aspects of MMA as relevant. Otherwise, they will look like "idiots".

I'm curious to know about those fights that ended in KO/TKOs. What percentage of those fights were even on the ground for a substantial amount of time?

he beat Michal Kita with an omoplata in Bellator. I wonder how he learned how to do that...

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Originally Posted by Dean Nowling

he beat Michal Kita with an omoplata in Bellator. I wonder how he learned how to do that...

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Probably at the Granby School of Omoplatas.

Jiu Jitsu only works on idiots? Or.. "if you have any idea about the they're tricks it wont work?" The same exact thing can be said about stand up...Its not going to work unless they fall for one of your setups for a big punch or kick. Both grappling AND stand up is all about getting the right setup to use your technique. I dont like that douche..hes a complete one sided thinker..Feed him to Mir and then talk to him about jiu jitsu..

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Originally Posted by Dean Nowling

he beat Michal Kita with an omoplata in Bellator. I wonder how he learned how to do that...

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possibly from judo

Is Ed Herman really saying jiu-jitsu in its entirety is ineffective, or is he saying that fighting off your back is ineffective? If it's the latter, then I have to agree with him, at least for now. It's a little disingenuous compare the rates of (T)KOs to submissions in MMA, since most decision victories are the result of superior wrestling or striking.

Nobody knew who he was and now people will. He's saying stupid shit for attention and it's working.

He's also pretty damn good. You better be catchin those triangles Jon.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

I think he is saying the same thing Eddie did, when Eddie said wrestlers are learning Jiu Jitsu defense, but guys guards aren't getting better. He just has a more prickely way of wording it.

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i think this is the first time ive ever read you giving constructive advice/comments on something! BRAVO! (no pun intended)
haha
really though, people are stupid and stay stupid things for attention. I'm one of those people sometimes.
it doesnt work...we all know thats just a ploy to get all us JJ fans fired up so we read their stupid article and (HOPEFULLY! *fingers crossed*) click the ads next to the article.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Hall

Jiu Jitsu only works on idiots? Or.. "if you have any idea about the they're tricks it wont work?" The same exact thing can be said about stand up...Its not going to work unless they fall for one of your setups for a big punch or kick. Both grappling AND stand up is all about getting the right setup to use your technique. I dont like that douche..hes a complete one sided thinker..Feed him to Mir and then talk to him about jiu jitsu..

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+1

so many doubters and haters oh well
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I don't think of it as BJJ being weak. I think it just takes so long to get lethal with BJJ (purple belt at least) that most of the field hasn't had time to train 4-8 years for it. This on top of the fact that most of the field knows basic BJJ anyway.
It takes a long time to master feints and set-ups in muay thai and boxing, but it doesn't take long to know how to strike properly and get a KO.

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Originally Posted by David Stager

Is Ed Herman really saying jiu-jitsu in its entirety is ineffective, or is he saying that fighting off your back is ineffective? If it's the latter, then I have to agree with him, at least for now. It's a little disingenuous compare the rates of (T)KOs to submissions in MMA, since most decision victories are the result of superior wrestling or striking.

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But wasn’t ed herman submitted by demian maia through a triangle which started of his back.

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Originally Posted by Harry Evans

I like the commentary. It doesn't say flat out "you are wrong," but rather supports the other side of the argument, and then explains that debates like this are great and necessary for the sport to evolve. It manages to state an opinion without attacking anybody.

Side note: If BJJ only works on idiots, then I must be a legitimate retard, because I train it every day, and I get tapped about 100 times per week or more

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Hmm. So according to him, boxing shouldn't work because of the amount of power punches that miss. In proportion, punches fail more frequently than submission attempts.

And as I've said in another thread, if jiu jitsu doesn't work, why are black belts tapping eachother. Why can marcelo tap a champ like nothing? JJ clearly works. It's just that most guys aren't adapting well to the fact that wrestlers are learning to stop submissions better.

there's peapole think that BJJ doesn't work then what chance does tradition martial arts like TKD,karate, and Kung Fu have to be Legitimized.