Scientific Fighters???

Does anybody else feel like the zombie apocalypse is already upon us? Everywhere I go I see tools of nationalism, religion (:mad:), and consumerism... but rarely science. Less than 1% of our politicians have been scientifically literate. Our last scientifically literate president might have been Thomas Jefferson. Study science! Teach your children science! School ruins science and math for children by making it excessively hard/fast paced which is where ALL progress comes from (that and maybe the occasional examination of history)... but yeah... science. Who's with me? And who would like to have their mind changed :)

you know what i don't like is, how vague the term your using is. what exactly are you referring to when you say "science"?

an explanation of why most politicians are not science literate could be that politics in itself isnt classified as a type of science. its the same as high school teachers that can teach english but know nothing about maths. if they studied science, they probably wouldnt have pursued a career in politics..

Sure, science is how the world really works, and sure science is the way to progress as a world community, but it's boring and repetitive and difficult. Why not teach about a magic man in the sky who puppet masters all creation via magic? You'll get MUCH more money, *if you're the head of an organization that does this* and it's tax free. You can also make stuff up as you go along with no evidence other than word of mouth, group think, testimonial, and ancient texts. The "scientific fighters" can fight the zombies with guns, tanks, laser beams, explosives, etc. I can just chant some sacred incantations and make myself invincible =D....right?

True science has a couple of characteristics that make it a desirable way of looking at the world. It is not comparable to a religion is that it is not a set of beliefs, it is, rather, a method of forming beliefs.

First, true science is open to all ideas. These ideas must be carefully tested and variables that could effect results identified and controlled so as to prove or disprove a hypothesized explanation of why something works the way it does.

Second, it must be replicable; other scientists must be able to reproduce your results using the same methods. Modern scientific theories are submitted for peer review before publishing where they are carefully scrutinized by many other experts of the same field.

There might be some things that I'm missing, but yeah. This is what I mean when I say "science" -- a way of looking at the world. We will never have true science as long as the resources to conduct scientific research are controlled by money.

How about we focus on literacy as well?

Money is paid to scientists for preserving the status quo which is against all scientific theory. Bogus studies and financially endowed lobbyists make sure that it's always easy to call a scientist a quack when he presents data that is out of the ordinary.
At this point the scientific field is not too far off from politics in which it's not what you know and how you do things, but who you know and how much you pay them - or how much money you make them.
When you look at the money put forward to "defense" and the amount put towards Physics - it's no wonder people believe in noah's ark.
I'm not stabbing at religion some people really benefit from it and I'd never assume I could know any answers.
But religion needs the exact same thing science and politics needs : separation from business.
When there is money to be made, corruption will always win

how bout we focus on making religion and science the same thing like it was to human beings when we first started 'seeking the truth'

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Originally Posted by kza

how bout we focus on making religion and science the same thing like it was to human beings when we first started 'seeking the truth'

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Would be nice, but can't be done. Science is constantly trying to prove itself WRONG to advance *ie Scientific Method and the crowning jewel of science which is the Double Blind Placebo Controlled Study/Experiment." Religion is based on faith, or the belief in something without evidence, or belief in something despite overwhelming amounts of contradictory evidence. Resurrection, magic, miracles, etc.

It's overwhelming evidence based belief vs faith based belief.

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

Would be nice, but can't be done. Science is constantly trying to prove itself WRONG to advance *ie Scientific Method and the crowning jewel of science which is the Double Blind Placebo Controlled Study/Experiment." Religion is based on faith, or the belief in something without evidence, or belief in something despite overwhelming amounts of contradictory evidence. Resurrection, magic, miracles, etc.

It's overwhelming evidence based belief vs faith based belief.

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not all religions are based upon 'faith'.

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Originally Posted by kza

not all religions are based upon 'faith'.

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Which ones aren't?

lol Atheism.

i want to know how many vape hits it was before you posted this tremper

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Originally Posted by Frank R.

lol Atheism.

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well technically... atheism puts faith in the belief that it's impossible for there to be a god. since that hasn't been proven, it's not that different from other religions, in the faith aspect anyway. now if you're agnostic, then you could say that you're not based around faith, since you're not arguing either way about anything that can't be proven in this lifetime.

Not believing something exists doesn't mean you have "faith" in believing something doesn't exist. lol. That's funny the way you worded that. Atheist don't have faith because they believe in what can be proven and saying there is a god has no proof.

faith/fāTH/Noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof.
3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion.

saying there can't be a god has no proof either... it hasn't been proven by science, so being 100% atheist and exclaiming that "it's impossible for a god to exist" puts in just as much faith as any other religion. the only way you can say you have no faith is to only believe in what science has definitely proven and be questionable about anything that hasn't been proven, as an agnostic would.

what i hate about a lot of atheists is that they try to distance themselves from other religions, as if they're all high and mighty and know better than everyone else, when usually, they can be guilty of a lot of silly behavior that is usually associated with crazy religious people.

The mere definition of the word means if you don't believe in a god, you have no faith.

yeah that's one definition of the word, number 3. what about number 2? stop being silly...

I made up number 2, it's not real.

Agreed. Saying there is nothing outside of science can only be said through faith. But your kinda generalizing athiests. Although the majority ive met as well, do tend to just bash religion with no intent on growth, evolution, or progress. Pointing out mundane falicies in religious texts with self richeous arrogance only to prove the already known. Many do like to argue alot for some reason. The ones who make more sense seem to be more agnostic.

Sciences and Newtonian physics def rule our perception of reality and should be focused and studied in a more constructive manner than our education system provides imo as well. But it is a fact that our perception is extremely limited and so much goes on that is unperceived. So if we nail ourselves down to only believing what we allow our reality to teach us, it seems to me that we greatly hinder our evolution as conscious beings. We should instill critical thinking abilities, common sense, and rational thought in institutions along with the premise that so much is unkown and let the mind thrive from there. imo

Pray to Joe Pesci!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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Originally Posted by snoogens44

i want to know how many vape hits it was before you posted this tremper

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I want to know how long it took you to update this after you got your blue belt lol

lol.. immediately after leaving the jungle so i can pull rank on some of annoying white belts. training with a royler black belt now.. love pulling rubber guard in there.

Dude i dont want a liberal in office next year
Including obama
He cut the space program so we will nvr advance into space unless we send people out there

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

How about we focus on literacy as well?

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As a secondary school maths teacher, this topic depresses me. The level of literacy and numeracy of the general population is quite poor at times.

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Originally Posted by Corky

Dude i dont want a liberal in office next year
Including obama
He cut the space program so we will nvr advance into space unless we send people out there

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Either party is run by assholes WAY wealthier than you or I. There's only 1,200 billionaires in the world. You think they chill with people like you or I? That they're just the one lucky person out of their idiot group to make it big and now they're spreadin' the love? They're funded by the same corporations and all of those companies share board members regularly -- it's one big money orgy. Science solves problems -- EVERYTHING you use to solve your daily problems comes from science -- computers, cars, refrigerators, running water, PENCILS, the list goes on and on and on -- SCIENCE solves problems, politicans can only make laws and establish budgets.

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Originally Posted by James Steele

As a secondary school maths teacher, this topic depresses me. The level of literacy and numeracy of the general population is quite poor at times.

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It has a lot to do with the parents in my opinion. My parents read to me every night from when I was very little -- by the time I was in kindergarten I could already read quite well. I was able to excel solely because of this in my opinion -- so many parents don't have the time or energy to put in those hours after long days at work..

A lot of problems with children are down to poor parenting. Unfortunately, it leads to a vicious cycle of poor parenting bringing up dysfunctional children, who in turn become poor parents themselves. All this problem needs is for the parents to spend time with their children and care about their education and well-being.

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Originally Posted by James Steele

A lot of problems with children are down to poor parenting. Unfortunately, it leads to a vicious cycle of poor parenting bringing up dysfunctional children, who in turn become poor parents themselves. All this problem needs is for the parents to spend time with their children and care about their education and well-being.

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But those things are in everyone -- almost everyone cares about their children, wants them to do "well" in school and in life -- whatever the FUCK that means for the last one. They just don't have the means... we need a fundamental shift in consciousness that comes from psychedelic drugs -- they sure smashed that movement in the 60's though...

Buddhist and some hindu's along with some 'new age' awakened do not even think that god has anything to do with religion. Religion has to do with oneself and how they respond to the events around them. You guys have only been exposes to christianity which formes the bais of your opinion because of the way white people run organized religion . Unless you are agnostic, you must blindly believe that there is no being superior to humans, and considering the vastness of the universe that is more improbable than there not being a god. I personally do not have enough faith to be an athesit anymore.

It doesn't even really matter, though-- it's irrelevant. Whether or not you believe in God you have to admit that the scientific method is the best model we have to use to understand the world around us this far. If you've ever had a serious respiratory infection requiring antibiotics then you owe your very existence to it.

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Originally Posted by tremper

It doesn't even really matter, though-- it's irrelevant. Whether or not you believe in God you have to admit that the scientific method is the best model we have to use to understand the world around us this far. If you've ever had a serious respiratory infection requiring antibiotics then you owe your very existence to it.

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Self-sustaining belief, unfortunately, means that people of faith can still believe deeply in something despite OVERWHELMING contrary evidence. ie.....evidence, logic, and reasonable thought do not counter faith as far as changing people's minds. Plus the allure of having to give up responsibility to a "higher power" that is looking out for you is an awesome selling point of religion.

Hey when they're holding the key to eternal salvation or damnation they can't fuck around...