http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH25KKek-Q4
hmm could it be that rubber guard is considered or could soon be standard guard? lol
"He'll get his foot in front of his face and wrap up some kind of omoplata" ...quite knowledgeable these commentators are
if your not familiar with the 10th planet it is called high guard
Isn't that frank trigg commentating? Bunch o haters!
Maybe they feel its like a free commercial by saying rubber guard or something. I dont know , but thats wack
that's called high guard and it was invented in brazil. get your facts straight, bravo!
oh, and what's with the stand up? when a man is working and striking from the bottom, let him work. refs in MMA are terrible these days.
But they did show and mention Eddie several times
throughout the fight.
Oh shit, well I may be mistaken, he may have been
mentioned more during the Matt Horwich fight.
But I was surprised how many times they said Eddie's
name.
Something weird was going on. After the interview with Eddie, Frank acted like he had no idea what a Crotch Ripper was.
They acted strange on twitter afterward as well. Some odd passive aggressiveness taking place.
Trigg knows exactly what rubber guard is. Me and Frank talked about rubber guard for about 30 minutes before the show, he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans
He's always really nice to me when I run into him at shows, so I'm not quite sure why he's ignoring it, but it seems intentional. Bas and Mauro know what rubber guard is too and commentate on it when they see it. Trigg ignored rubber guard before, this is not the first time. It is very strange
I hate hearin it get called high guard... Every time I play rubber guard when I roll dudes say "nice high guard".. But their brainwashed and refuse to call it crackhead control or rubber guard even after correcting them 6494 times... Idno but your doin something right Eddie more success means more haters... Pleeeeeeeease bring 10th planet to nj
It can only be swept under the rug for so long. People are going to realize rg is the way to go in mma if you don't want to take damage
I sometimes wonder if those commentators even know they are watching a fight. I'm waiting to see a brutal KO and hear, "TOUCHDOWN!!!"
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Originally Posted by Harry Evans
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Originally Posted by Harry Evans
I was more angry at the ref for standing them up while he had him in mission control
Ya thats bullshit Half the names of the moves in jujitsu are named after people who didn't even event them and they can't say rubber guard when they are clearly using your system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
That was really nice guard work from Alan. Dished it out from the bottom and was actually very safe the whole time. And sweet knock out. :)
Tell Joe Rogan to tell his friend he betta recognize!
I find it strange that The Voice didn't mention "rubber guard" or correct/say anything to Frank when he was calling it high guard. Schiavello seems like the anti hater, I know his background is in striking but I can't imagine that his completely ignorant of the rubber guard. As far as the stand up goes, I see why people are complaining but I certainly don't think it was a horrible stand up. Jouban was staying active with strikes and working for submissions for sure, but he wasn't able to secure the triangle from the meathook, and he wasnt able to clear the neck when he tried for chill dog. There was less than a minute left in the fight, the ref stands them up, the Jouban scores a beautiful KO. Like I said I understand the controversy about the stand up but in the context of what was going on in the fight, the time left, and the exciting result thereafter I guess I find kind of hard to complain about the fight being stood up.
The problem is that the stand-ups from working JJ positionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Logan Cook
seems to be becoming a trend. If it becomes the norm, it could
really pose some problems for fighters who rely on working
from the ground.
...but you're right, that was a pretty exciting finish
I didn't think his rg punches looked like they were doing anything. I kept screaming at the tv to do something more productive with his rg. Like get a submission... seemed more like a stall to me than effective work so I wasn't too heated at the ref for the stand up. But that's me...
Unfortunate stand ups have always been a problem in MMA and probably always will be until every referee is at the same level of competency as Herb Dean and co. Its all about context though, and since that is something that always going to be open to interpretation, it may be a problem that is never completely solved. Id like to know if Alan thought that the stand up was valid or not, that would end any sort of debate I would think.
as far as standups in mma are concerned, the referee should be held responsible for knowing the fighters and having done his homework coming into the fight.
if you see a 10th planet guy on the ground working his rubber guard, you can make a rather safe assumption that he is in an advantageous position; one that he TRAINED TO BE IN. that's key. he is in control of the ring, which is one of the major criteria for scoring the fight. in Jouban's case, he is also controlling the pace and the striking (albeit from the ground, which is not a traditional striking position).
if a referee can allow strikers to dictate when a grappler has to standup (see Werdum v Overeem), the grappler should be afforded the same luxury when he does achieve position on the ground. otherwise, we allow the sport to trend towards a striking bias. i understand that is what the average, non-training fan wants to see; it is not, however, an accurate depiction of one-on-one, unarmed combat. quick standups and a push from the referees for "action" force one to come to the same conclusions that Rickson states in his most recent interview.
referees need to know the fighters and what their preferred mode of operation is. it would remedy many of the referee standup dilemmas.
maybe we will get what we want when the world understands how dangerous rubberguard is. I think if Royce was still fighting he would be given the respect to stay on the ground for awhile.