Open Friendship Tournament-Nibiru Rules

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09-12-2010, 11:30 AM
KevinPsychoSilva

Open Friendship Tournament-Nibiru Rules

Hey guys and gals. Love the show, long time listener, first time caller :o . OK so I've heard Grandmaster Eddie express his ,imho, very educated idea of how grappling matches should be scored. ie, points scored for near subs and different positions, not just sweeps, passes, a limited # of positions and taps. Not sure if this has been posted already, and sorry if so, but we need to get organized and sponsor a 'Nibiru Rules' open. Film that chit and flood the net with all the crazy highlights and get the rest of the world on board with the evolution of the revolution, nyah mean?! :cool:

Anybody know if such a mythical rulebook exists? If not, Grandmaster Eddie!!!! We all know that you are super busy, but if you could write a new official Nibiru rule book, that would help expedite this particular Revolution..... I'm just sayin.
09-12-2010, 12:14 PM
Ron Almeida

i would like to see something like 2 points for everything and 1 point for advantages for near subs etc. no butt scoot, if you sit down the other guy gets takedown points. if you jump guard and bring your opponent to the ground (both his knees hit the ground) you get take down points. if he squats and only one knee hits no one gets take down points.
09-12-2010, 12:19 PM
Dustin C.

That would be SICK!
09-12-2010, 02:48 PM
Chris Leavelle

I think takedown points should be eliminated, this is not wrestling or MMA this is JIU JITSU
09-12-2010, 03:24 PM
Jared Gammel

No way you can award take down points for pulling guard. That's ridiculous.
09-12-2010, 03:30 PM
michael craig

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Originally Posted by Chris Leavelle

I think takedown points should be eliminated, this is not wrestling or MMA this is JIU JITSU

how about so many points for single,double leg,ankle picks, but more points for hip throws,leg sweeps etc etc..get some more judo in there..
09-12-2010, 03:51 PM
Adam Grickites

The idea of getting more points for hip throws etc. is exciting.

But who knows, that might make jiu jitsu comps into judo comps. haha.
09-12-2010, 03:52 PM
KevinPsychoSilva

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael craig

how about so many points for single,double leg,ankle picks, but more points for hip throws,leg sweeps etc etc..get some more judo in there..

F yah! now we are talking turkey! Keep this up peeps, we need to make some noise and bring this to life!
09-12-2010, 04:10 PM
Ryan Cook

Takedowns should only score if you end up in side control.
09-12-2010, 04:18 PM
Ron Almeida

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared Gammel

No way you can award take down points for pulling guard. That's ridiculous.

some people just dance for several minutes afraid to be taken down (thats ridiculous), so the only way to get to the ground is for someone to jump guard, but then the guy who didnt jump guard gets the take down points which is not fair, so you either give points to who ever gets the fight to the ground or no take down points at all.
09-12-2010, 04:56 PM
Josh Passini

2nd the removal of points for takedowns. To many guys just want to win by takedowns and not even do jiu jitsu.
09-12-2010, 05:24 PM
Chris Leavelle

Eddie talks about how he would score a tournament. This is kinda old so I dont know if he has the same idea's about scoring or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAxE_...eature=channel
09-12-2010, 06:21 PM
Heidi McCreery

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Originally Posted by Chris Leavelle

I think takedown points should be eliminated, this is not wrestling or MMA this is JIU JITSU

If there are going to be takedowns in Jiu Jitsu then they need to award points for getting one. Points are only awarded for a takedown when you get to a position of control. Though I do agree that it is ridiculous to grant your opponent points if you pull guard, because pulling guard is gaining a position of control and is not giving the other person any kind of control.
09-12-2010, 07:53 PM
Chris Herzog

Coming from a Judo & Sambo background my view is a bit different on throws & takedowns. My view even differs from Judo & Sambo contemporaries, especially when your training for No-Gi. I teach throws and takedowns as forms of passing the guard while standing.

1) The main goal of each Throw/Takedown should be to gain dominant position (not just throwing them for the sake of the throw, very common in Judo & Sambo), regardless of the amplitude or impact of the throw gaining positional dominance should be priority (Don't throw people and land in guard, 1/2 guard, or get rolled). Throws that end you in inferior positions (Guard, 1/2 guard, etc.)have passes taught as part of the complete transition.

2) If you can gain positional dominance from a throw or takedown and you can maintain amplitude and cause bone rattling impact that causes snot bubbles......then BONUS!

So I'm all for the rules that rewards throws to dominant position with more points than those that land them in inferior positions.
09-12-2010, 08:05 PM
Ryan Cook

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Originally Posted by Ryan Cook

Takedowns should only score if you end up in side control.

What Chris said.
09-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Jonathan Wylie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Coming from a Judo & Sambo background my view is a bit different on throws & takedowns. My view even differs from Judo & Sambo contemporaries, especially when your training for No-Gi. I teach throws and takedowns as forms of passing the guard while standing.

1) The main goal of each Throw/Takedown should be to gain dominant position (not just throwing them for the sake of the throw, very common in Judo & Sambo), regardless of the amplitude or impact of the throw gaining positional dominance should be priority (Don't throw people and land in guard, 1/2 guard, or get rolled). Throws that end you in inferior positions (Guard, 1/2 guard, etc.)have passes taught as part of the complete transition.

2) If you can gain positional dominance from a throw or takedown and you can maintain amplitude and cause bone rattling impact that causes snot bubbles......then BONUS!

So I'm all for the rules that rewards throws to dominant position with more points than those that land them in inferior positions.

good call, This makes sense!!
09-12-2010, 10:57 PM
Jared Gammel

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Originally Posted by Ron Almeida

some people just dance for several minutes afraid to be taken down (thats ridiculous), so the only way to get to the ground is for someone to jump guard, but then the guy who didnt jump guard gets the take down points which is not fair, so you either give points to who ever gets the fight to the ground or no take down points at all.

Usually in that situation no points are awarded if someone successfully pulls guard. If you could get points for pulling guard how could you ever tell the difference between someone doing a double-leg and someone jumping guard as they are getting tackled. It would make for so many situations that would be impossible to score. You shouldn't get awarded for pulling someone on top of you. In the situation you stated, if you can pull guard you should be able to attempt a throw or take-down of some form or another as well. Bottom line, to give points for pulling guard would not affect the sport in a positive way at all.
09-13-2010, 07:25 AM
Ron Almeida

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared Gammel

Usually in that situation no points are awarded if someone successfully pulls guard. If you could get points for pulling guard how could you ever tell the difference between someone doing a double-leg and someone jumping guard as they are getting tackled. It would make for so many situations that would be impossible to score. You shouldn't get awarded for pulling someone on top of you. In the situation you stated, if you can pull guard you should be able to attempt a throw or take-down of some form or another as well. Bottom line, to give points for pulling guard would not affect the sport in a positive way at all.

then give no take down points at all... you have to do something to make it fair, get the fight to the ground and stop the dance class... i personally dont jump guard or like jumping guard, but i know lots of people do and when they do alot of times they are starting 2 points down... if someone jumps guard and the guy standing just grabs them and takes them down at the same time they usually get the points...

maybe the best solution on take downs is what chris said (end up in side control), no points awarded if you end up in guard or half guard...
09-13-2010, 11:33 AM
Chris Herzog

Its easy to deal with those that run around and use stall tactics and wait to just score with a takedown. Penality points for the compeitior that consitantly runs or disengages.
09-13-2010, 11:55 AM
Heidi McCreery

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Its easy to deal with those that run around and use stall tactics and wait to just score with a takedown. Penality points for the compeitior that consitantly runs or disengages.

Exactly! In wrestling running away is considered stalling and you will be penalized for it. At least that's how it was when I wrestled.