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Hey guys I tried looking for correct info on how or what to do when someone nearby KO's or passes out either from a hit or submission what exactly do you have to do I always see dumbasses in streetfights messing with the victim moving him around obviously not safe so since were more than likely to experience these due to our sport I wanted to know if theres a link or if someone can tell me whats the correct thing to do??
i believe if somebody gets choked to sleep you raise their legs to get blood flowin back to the brain and they kinda kick start with a jerk.
#1. Make sure they are breathing. Sounds stupid but shit happens.
#2. Keep them safe
- Seizure activity sometimes happens. Pad around the person minimize the movement of the head without hurting the person. Put nothing into the mouth. Do not remove the mouth guard by reaching between the persons teeth. Grab it from the sides between the teeth & cheek.
#3. Do not lift or excessively move the head. Hold the head in line with the spine.
#4. Lift the legs in cases where the person is choked out.
In cases of knocking someone out with a strike, brain & spinal injuries would be the main injuries of interest. A visit to the emergency room & C.A.T. Scan should be sought out.
Look for someone at your gym who was an EMT or Medic. I was a medic for 7 years. It's helped out a few times at my gym. If you're really interested in knowing what to do take a basic CPR/First Aid, EMT or Life Guarding class. Life saving technique!
You know I actually plan on studying to be EMT/Paramedic lol now as for the raising legs part should you do that everytime or like you said only if its in the case of someone getting choked out
also I remember seeing a NHB documentary with Frank Sahmrock and Randy Couture in it some guys lung collapses but the ref knew what do he sat him up and smacked his back in a certain area and the guy woke up immediately does that sound like the right thing to do or and how can you tell if someones lung collapses?
Sounds like it requires professional training...Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
Only raise the legs if someone gets choked out.
A pneumothorax or lung collapse is usually identified, without the aid of a X-Ray, by difficulty breathing, diminished lung sounds (you'd need a stethoscope), and unequal chest rise. In terms of a tension pnuemothorax you can add tracheal deviation, and respiratory distress. The second set of signs means it's really bad and that's usually when you'll really know if the lung is collapsed. Basic rule is anyone having continuous difficulty breathing after taking a hit to the chest should be checked out at the hospital.
Treating a lung collapse is getting into things that should be over the lay-person's head. If someone's lung collapses dial 911 immediately! Place them ON TO their injured side to allow the good lung to fully expand or the position of comfort. They are going to look like absolute shit. Just wait for the medics.
DO NOT start smacking people.
Dude how the fuck are u gonna get a collapsed lung from getting knocked out or choked out? Lol
You need a tear in the pleural lining to get a collapsed lung..usually from a broken rib. But any chest trauma can theoretically do it and some people are more prone to pneumos than others and they can happen spontaneously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corky
To answer your question you would get a collapsed lung from events that occur around the time of the KO or choke. Knees or kicks to the body. A tight body lock that breaks a rib while setting up an RNC. Bearing down while defending a choke would also increase intrathoracic pressure which could cause a pneumothorax
THat wud suck
Nice Job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Patrick
Without reading all answers I'm surprised that no one said "talk to the guy that just woke up after passing out" and make sure he or she is okay.
Just do like they did to renato laranja after eddie choked him out. carry them out into the street so when they wake up they dont know where they are. haha
Be careful, people don't react the same to a non injury complicated LOC. If they were swinging when they went out there's a chance they'll be swinging when the wake up. Check your reflexes. Also be careful where you kneel. I've seen people lose control of they're bodily functions.
Surely rhe standard recovery position ?: on the side so guy/gal doesn't choke on their tongue, i'mm sure you can look it up anywhere on the ner.
We use to drag em out the back and let them come to in the alley...shit was differnet back then...ya'll getting soft...
I was at a local fight l8ly where a fighter was KO'd with a punch to the head and the doctor came in the ring and lifted his legs as if he'd been choked out. Anyone ever seen/heard of this?
it is true that the victims tongue can endanger them but you cant actually swallow your tongue it just becomes soft and when your laying down on your back unconscious the tongue can slide a little back and block the airway but I was taught in CPR class how to adjust the head to open the airway by slightly tilting their chin up like a human PEZ dispenser but thats for CPR do you guys think that would work if someone gets choked out would it even be necessary ?Quote:
Originally Posted by watty31
and what happend to smelling salts would that be good to have in a gym just in case ? always wanted to try it lol
Or you can be a jerk and just laugh at the kid while his unconscious body struggles to re-pump blood back into his brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_pthv9LCY
You're right about the tongue, you can't swallow it, it's connected to your jaw. The only way to swallow your tongue is to cut it off and shove it down your throat. When the tongue blocks the airway you'll usually get a snoring sound. Not a big deal. Remember when someone takes a hit to the head and they lose consciousness not to move the head excessively. There is a way to maintain the airway of a person where spinal trauma may be suspected. A CPR class should teach you how to manipulate the jaw to open the airway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
As with everything else training pays off. CPR and First Aid classes are usually cheap, pretty quick and pay off when it really counts. Not just for the guys and girls at the gym but for your family and kids also. Knowing what to do in an emergency is way better then standing around begging for a savior. The 5-10 minutes it will take for an ambulance to show up will feel like an eternity. http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/ Hit up the link, go to local info, type in your zip code and take a class.
Smelling salts is pretty much just ammonia on a cotton swab. It really doesn't do anything but give the people around you something to do. Kind of like boiling water for a child birth. It's just busy work.
By the way. From my experience (And I haven't seen it all) most of the time someone loses consciousness from any number of common reasons it is usually self-correcting. Don't get to crazy. The body strives to stay in balance and is already programmed to get back to normal.
I actually recognize that blonde kid his family hosted the first tournament I went to and paid me and some friends to help set up mats his name is Caine Menn he's on this pageQuote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
http://www.ztsdealer.com/ZTS-TOURNAMENT-SERIES.html
probably a waste of info but oo well now you guys know , as for that video I agree that was irresponsible but Caine rolled the kid over on his side when he passed out isnt that a safe way to leave them ? or should they have raised his legs ?
I wasn't too concerned with the kids. It was the general behavior of their instructor and how everybody seemed to disregard the safety for the unconscious kid. I've read the supposed back story about how the bigger kid was being a douche prior to this event but despite that, everyone should still have a general respect for the potential risks involved in this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
my bad i wasn't trying to justify it just asking pretty much the main question of the thread "what to do when someones KO's" would leaving the kid on his side like that be OK or should they have raised his legs?
Look around. Quickly touch them "inappropriately". Giggle to yourself when they wake up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
what a fucking piece of shit asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
Thank you for posting this. It's a sobering reminder that we should always strive to be a respectful coach and/or training partner and keep safety and respect at the top of our training list. I wonder if that guy is still in business after thousands of parents and students have seen his attitude in dealing with this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho