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Choke or Crank?
I got little t-Rex arms. Been hitting it and ppl tap cause it scares them from neck contortion.... sometimes their neck pops. Am I doing it right? I don't want to break anybodies neck.
I usually dive with it and make it as quick as possible. Better for slow timely setup or grip it and rip it?
It's a choke and a crank. If it works for you, I don't see a problem. You SHOULD be able to do it slow, going too fast can sometimes lead to mistakes :)
I like to fly :-P
I agree with J Chow. To avoid complaints and problems I usually do it slow. Well, the setup, the transition, and the diving over the shoulder I do fast but after that I slowly begin to add hip pressure and torque until they tap. It can be an unfamiliar position for some people causing them to tap later than usual. Doing neck cranks fast can sometimes lead to "fuck you" glares while they stretch and play with their neck long after the tap.
We rep the shit out of it slow and speed it up but never to quick like AJ said from the nasty crank.
I was drilling the move with a buddy of mine and we discovered the same problem. I've only learned the move from MTS, but he seemed to hit the choke just fine, mine was always coming out as a neck crank first, even drilling it very slow. It seems to first be a very unorthodox feeling for a submission by the positioning of the arms, and it also seems to be a move that requires a lot of getting the feeling for. Certain subs you get right away, but for us, it seems to have a learning curve in terms of hitting it perfect. We also haven't had the luck to have it be taught in person either, which would help.
Make sure you have the vice perfectly perpendicular to your partner's neck, and keep your elbows tight together. Those two details should help with establishing the choke over the neck crank.
I put a guy to sleep with one of these bad boys. If that helps at all.
I seen it. It was sweet, and afterwards the guy said he felt it crank a little but than all of sudden he was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
I have broken two training partners ribs with this bad boy. Im real careful now. Respect its leverage, because he has nowhere to go.
I like to go slow with it, because it can be awkward to adjust once you dive over your partner's head.
i like this move alot.
Its a game changer for sure. I get it on everyone especially the Gracie school people. I go with a nice slow flow nothing snappy, and dont try yanking shit like a damn wrestler does. Jiu Jitsu destroys wrestlers.
Ribs?... How did you manage that?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Thanks for the advice on the set up to make it a choke. Since I have been using this it has ended up with adjusting a lot of peoples necks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Yes, thanks Chris. I started to finally get the feel for the choke tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Art "ART OF WAR" Belarde
Nice! Thanks for that tip, I feel stupid about the elbows nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
In IBJJF rules would this be classed as a crank or a choke in competition? my main fear is using it in a comp and being disqualified
It's a choke, so it's legal
As long as it's done right so it doesn't crank?
Thanks, ima drill it tonight to try and land the choke.
What if its a catch wrestler? Or what if I just call myself a sub grappler, submission wrestler, or sambo wrestler? :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Morency
I haven't rolled outside a 10th planet gym in quite a while, but last night I was training and at one point I was in half guard on top and when the guy turned into me with that one under hook, I smoothly flew to the Jap necktie and got the sub. I just put that into my game maybe a month ago but we drilled it for two weeks and I was so stoked to pull it out. That's my nerdy necktie story.
You can make it crank the more you turn their face to the sky, if you can keep them from getting too twisted up I think it will stay legal.
Yeah droping ur shoulder down while feeding ur arm through is huge too...
They both had weak cores in hindsight. And I was really arching way to much in the beginningQuote:
Originally Posted by John Alighieri