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So I'm looking for a new job I'm now 18 hrs? clean. And I don't think i'll make it. Depressed raged filled and constant cold chills. Standard eastern meditatation ain't working, Binural beatz not so much either. Anybody got some tips and tricks for this situation? Cuz if this mood don't change I'm prob, gonna get in trouble.
(BTW in the time it took to type this I threatened to kill my computer at least 3 time... yeah it's like that.)
You have to distract yourself as much as possible.
i'm tryin dude, class don't start till 600, watchin A team hoping no one i care for wants to come by. lol not a stellar day to say the least.
18 hours? you need to be clean much longer then that. you are going to suffer withdraws like a mofo for a few days.
only advice is breathe, get that heart rate down and keep it from elevating by recognizing when it happens and the possible triggers and start your breathing techniques.
it gets easier, but it takes time
Did you talk to your doctor before quitting Prozac?
Ok Dr. DrewQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason_C
Push ups sit ups ice bath repeat. Practice holding your breath, try and get up to 4 min, my personal best so far is 3:30.
Dude get out of your own head. Unless your "meds" are crack or heroin there is nothing wrong with you.
Jason it's for a swab test 24 - 72hrs is the clean window Jonathan if it was crack or ron i wouldn't have fucking problem that shit leaves your system fairly fast I know you're trying to be mr tough love. but FUCK YOU. I've been smoking for close to 16 yrs. It fucking sucks when you have actual problems and weed is the best choice. Go play with your kids or something and be positive instead of shitting on my problem. Thanks for everyones help and fuck mr wylie for pissing me off 18x more than i already was.
For cats who are giving tips and not opinions, should I train tonight?
depression exists and controlled breathing exercises help keep the anger and anxiety attacks in check. I just reiterated things my combat stress psychiatrist told me while I was in Afghanistan. It worked for me, maybe it will work for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
definitely train but no new rolling partners. roll with one of your boys
cool, will do. thanks Jason!
If you feel mentally strong enough, get the Dali Lamas "little book of wisdom".
It's super cheap and there's a lot of little bits in there about anger control and how trying to control anger/depression really helps you overall.
I know it sounds like some zen bs but if you take even the tiniest thing from it u didn't have mentally before that's worth it right?
Hope you feel better.
sometimes the hokey stuff works but no one wants to take their superman capes off long enough to give the shit a try and as a Marine, i knew that all too well.
let your guards down and give some of this stuff a try.
NP bro
If you've smoked for a long time and try to quit cold turkey you will have shitty withdraws. I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I know your pain William. It got worse for me on the second and the third day but then it became easier.
I thought you were blaming it on withdrawals. Its was a reasonable mistake. P.S. I took a couple deep breaths and refrained from being an asshole in this response,(even thought it would have been justified) so maybe you should go with Jasons advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamGunter
See, this is the bullshit I thought you were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
My advice would be to train as much as possible. I'm not sure what "meds" you're quitting, you were pretty ambiguous, but I can take an educated guess, and yea I'd say train your ass off. It's a great distraction, and exercise produces endorphins which will help to quell any withdrawal symptoms. Oh yea, and you get to choke bitches out! Just don't get too addicted to THAT or it might get you into trouble... (not to self, do not demonstrate RNC on boss)
or I hear taking 5 HTP can help deal with it since its builds or give seretonin Im not sure but I hear its safe so you check it out since its only for a couple days
Withdraws are bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
From Marijuana? yes
The best advice I can possibly give:Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamGunter
Don't be around anyone that smokes herb, if possible.
Watching A team and movies and stuff to distract yourself is def the right direction. (May I recommend the 3 stooges on hulu.com?) Also maybe like... painting or doing something you like... I am painting right now so that is why that is my suggestions, but whatever some little hobby that centers you.
Also, train as much as you can but Jason is right, with one of your friends, or just wail on a bag for a while.
I have been smoking for just about as long as you have and I know what you mean about feeling... well, it just sucks to stop is my point. It will suck for a few days, but try, as much as you can to stay positive. If you have pets try to spend extra time focusing on them - my dogs helped me when I quit butts and I am using them to help slow down on pot. Best of luck to you and distractions distractions distractions are key.
Well I believe he means withdraws from marijuana cause it is mostly in your head depending your personality, lifestyle, etc. Most people don't experience withdraws at all I'll admit Ive never heard of someone having withdraws from weed this is the first time I hear it. Ive known people who also smoke for years but can still stop on the drop of hat for months and not have any withdraws , unlike from alcohol or cigarettes when withdraws CAN kill you (or so I hear plz correct me if Im wrong) but it doesn't mean you cant feel extremely uncomfortable when going without it for long periods of time but as for "harmful" withdrawals Im pretty sure its proven that doesn't happen with weed but it sure does suck ass not smoking lol that's for sure .
At least that's what I think jonathan means by bullshit (again correct me if wrong jon)
Ya there is a difference between "man this sucks" and withdrawals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
You can psychologically addicted to non addictive substances.
With ALL due respect, I understand why someone would argue that withdrawals may not be the "right" word for trying to stop smoking weed, but you can have withdrawals from anything if that is your reality of it. If William is blatantly saying he is having a shitty day then I feel like your arguing on such a "splitting hairs" sort of thing as the correct word... comes of slightly antagonistic or sort of rude. I highly doubt you meant it like that, but I know for me when I am having a shit day and I seek out help from a trusted source and that source turns and says "suck it up" it is not only unhelpful, it makes me feel worse and hence, I will not go to that source again. Your words on this thread will make William think twice before turning to this forum for help again, which is kind of unfair if you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I guess I am saying, for the sake of those having a bad day, I would maybe try to choose my battles a little better. Do you really care if William sees not smoking as an epically hard thing to do - in fact I FIND it very hard to do and his making this thread is making me feel more like I COULD do it -- I guess I just wish that no one was fucking with William when he is having a crum-bum of a day.
True that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
And correction to my previous post -- it COULD make William think twice, I did not mean to Imply the negitivity of one person would affect William to the point of controlling his actions.
Well the thing is William is not talking about withdrawals and I acknowledged my mistake in thinking he was. He has indicated that his self medicating was suppressing something more than just a crum-bum day. Griffin on the other hand indicated that the symptoms William described depressed, rage filled, constant cold chills were reasonable symptoms of cannabis withdrawals which I proclaimed bullshit and I stand by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshleyCrazSully
Idk I think maybe some of us (maybe jon) has seen people with real serious withdrawal symptoms from alcohol or methadone , which I just checked CAN kill you from withdraws, and doesn't consider minor withdraws like depression and moodiness to be serious or real after you've seen a family member or friend go to the hospital for withdraws.
But I agree Ashley that Jon may have been jus a little to harsh in his choice of words when fellow 10th planateer is asking for advice , but from the little time Ive been on the forums I can tell Jon is a brutally honest person and some people take it to heart alot what he says .In his defence though he is right most of time , he even said "it was a reasonable mistake" after william got mad.
William I no doubt believe you have real problems and weed must help a ton I feel the same , I think its pretty unfair that they only check for THC and not harder drugs when cocaine and heroin leave your system (or at least for piss test) in a weekend . someone can go and get super wasted the night before a test and still pass but if they take a puff on a joint 28 days before than you can lose so many rights its criminal.I bid you good luck on a tough 72 hrs , think of it like this smoking after a long break almost makes it feel like the first time smoking again which is awesome lol.
I dunno man, when I decided to cut down on smoking cannabis as I was doing it every day for a month at least, I got similar chills and not so much depressed, but it wasn't the best day. I put that down to the fact I was just used to it. Similar to when I stopped eating awful food and started dieting. After the 2nd day it's cool :)
So I'd say it is for SURE withdrawals, just not as major as it would be for Alcohol, Cigarettes, and all that other legal stuff
And William, don't worry, just think of the day you can get it, that day will be a million times more awesome than it would have been had you still been able to smoke.
You better get out the space documentaries and get some super silver haze mothafucka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAW1QeqwHRU
this should look exactly how it will be when you smoke again William
We could have a friendly debate on whether or not physical cannabis withdrawals exist but if your only ammunition is a personal experience of cold chills one time when you decided to cut back you might want to go do a little more research first. You should realize that indicating that your cold chills were a symptom of cannabis withdrawals is saying you believe cannabis is a physically addictive substance. Maybe you just had a slight infection around that time.;)
Yea just cause you get "cold chills" from not playing XBOX for a month doesn't mean Xbox gives you withdrawal lol but it sure does suck , well not for me I play PS3 =P
Vulkan33 is my PSN tagname just in case
Everyone experiences addiction and withdrawal differently. When quitting in the past I've had insomnia, anxiety, irritability... The body and mind reflect one another so it's not far fetched to to have physical withdrawals.
Thanks for the support Angel I have this self imposed feeling of obligation to call out bullshit when I see it and I consider it a character flaw and burden at times. It something I need to work on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz
I can bet Jon is gonna argue that personal experiences arent exactly the best way to debate something especially as you said everyone experiences addiction and withdrawal differently. I believe the main point of the debate is that its your body and mind that experience withdrawals not actual material possesions ,unless its physically addicting such as heroin and nicotine.
I have not had a chill from not smoking weed. I have got a head ache and felt like I had little to no control of... anything. Some fat people claim that cake is addictive. I think it depends on the person. Alcohol, supposedly is habit forming. Anytime I had a drink I thought it tasted like pee, made me act like a dumb broad and make my tummy hurt... most alcoholics would disagree with me, I think. I guess I am trying to say that you are, seemingly, trying to attempt to put definitions and labels on someone on a topic that is sort of, if not, completely subjective. Is stoping pot for a week the same as being a meth head? No. But I don't remember William saying "These chills are litterally worse than any crack head I have ever seen." But hey, what do I know. I am just board and trying to put off cleaning my house like a good house wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
Thanks for the awesome responses!!!! And Jon, it's cool call bullshit when ya see it just not when you smell it , the dude beside prob, just farted lol. I just thought of that!! Done training, repped sprawl control like a mad man( taking back peruvian darce all that good) my bjj high is starting to fade. You guys are awesome Mr wylie included lol and I'm glad to be a part of this community. Having mental hiccups and the lower G.i. of an 80 yr old. is why I smoke. Do i like to get stoned? yes very much so. But I think my mistake was not being clear in the first post. This isn't fuck I can't party today. This truly is I'm off my Meds. lol oh btw sept 10th charlotte nc I got my mma debut!!!! Jon Helton has some badasses fighting too! if you can make it do it! it'll be 10th plan-tastic!