I rolled a friends gym last Thursday and almost everyone had a weight advantage over me. It became painfully obvious how ineffective the majority my game is against guys with much of a size advantage. I got a triangle or two and a few back takes but no sweeps. Are you there any particular techniques from the bottom or sweeps you have success with against larger guys? Thanks guys.
butter fly guard to sweeps and arm drags. when they fail go to leg locks.
just stay really tight on the bottom. when they realize your not gonna hand em something, capitalize on their mistakes in movement....maybe....just saying this because im 140 n rolling with nothing but 170 n up n it works for me
My main training partner is about 10x stronger than me. My only hope is to somehow get to the back. I can't control his posture in guard, lockdown he keeps me from whipping up and pretty much smashes me. I just work alot on my defense.
Well I love using the mechanic sweep since if you get to whip up on your side but cant get the old school the mechanic sweep is always there since they have to whizzer your arm if not just take the back , I land this sweep alot on bigger opponents but I do find prison guard to be a big help against bigger guys since not always will sweeps work
Def butterfly sweeps, especially the one-legged sweeps where you allow them to partially pass... I'd post a video, but I still don't know how to do that.
Also half guard to taking the back. Lots of RNCs, guillotines, and leglocks.
When I roll with bigger guys I dont worry about the sweep. My go to's are either The Carni, cause the sec the come into my guard im going kung fu move and straight to the carni as fast as I can. But the one the that helps me survive is The deep Hook. I cant preach the deep hook enough. I take the deep hook from anywhere just make sure to press your fist deep into your hip. I usually just take the belly down armbar from the deep hook if I cant toss em or swim. Works everytime for me. And when you got em worried about the armbar the 3 points of death (Triangle, Tepee, Bolt Lock) are just a leg swing away. Try it out. Works for me im about 149 rollin with 190 and up guys.
For bigger and stronger guys I usually go for more leg locks, they are my great equalizer. For a bottom game like yours maybe you could try 50/50 guard from a de la heva entry?
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas White
I like this thread....keep em comin. I'm workin' at 145 against 200 regularly.
This works for me against bigger guys a lot too and try some X-guard sweeps we've been working em in class lately and they seem to work great even on bigger, stronger guys it throws them off balance pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trez Reyna
Thanks so much for the help guys! I love that anytime I'm having trouble in Jiu Jitsu I can just ask and I always get really useful information. I have a lot to work on.
Agreed...The teepee is amazing for bigger dudes! The minute he starts posturing I grab the s-grip behind my legs (plus his arm) and my knee is perfectly aligned with his carotid!
The japanese necktie is also money because those big guys are stronger and locking a darce is a struggle for me but if I can manage to secure the vice grip, I just stay in his half guard and fly over and it's a tap 8/10 times!
Originally Posted by Douglas White
For bigger and stronger guys I usually go for more leg locks, they are my great equalizer.
+another 1 on the leg-locks and I'll add the 100percent with a butterfly hook to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Mallory
i usually work half guard. If i cant get lockdown, ill just sweep and try to get into side control to attack or make them burn energy escaping.
you have to outlast the bigger guys, burn them out and catch them slipping.
YES
Subs: Triangles, americanas, kimuras, RNCs, leglocks, gogoplatas, bicep/calf crushers
Transitions: Arm-drags, other ways of taking the back, spider-guard sweeps, shield/93/z-guard sweeps, or anything that keeps their weight off of you.
NO
Subs: omoplatas, armbars from guard, crotch rippers, basically anything they can stop by just posturing or going really heavy
Transitions: most sweeps, again anything they can stop by posturing or going heavy
Mostly I just attack the back and end up with hooks, top position, or a sub in transition. Sweeping is tough, because they are bigger and stronger, so just move around them until they are carrying your weight. For subs, don't lose position for a move that the guy can power out of, or just stop by posturing or going heavy. Play position first, and remember that necks only get so big.
I use a move i made up, i call it the barrel of monkeys. when larger people get side control on you , trap their wrist closest to your leg ,slide your ankle thru and push your shin into the bicep . creating a bicep slice you can figure four your legs, or push off on your own ankle driving the bone into there muscle , i have a sweep from there also ,or if they lift away you spin right into butterfly guard .. I need to post it sometime and see what you guys think of it ,
Something like this I'm assuming?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeO'Laughlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMP-21Df7-Y
its very similar thanks for adding this, but its more about being controlled form side control with limited space , but i rely on the grip on just wrist control , in mma the glove is such a handle to hold on to, so i just grab right behind the tape .and the sweep in part is is actually to roll the person over you like a summersault keeping arm pinned on your cup ( you end up in side control with the bicep slice and your on top driving your weight into his arm . thanks for the video post
If you can get good at x-guard it works well for sweeping larger opponents. From x-guard just do a technical stand up to sweep them. If they stand up with (you have one of their legs over your shoulder at this point) simply kick their hopping leg out. Once you get on top try to stay there and tire them out by constantly moving and transitioning. It can be very hard to hold down a larger opponent but I have found my biggest advantages are my quickness and cardio. So against bigger guys I play a more open top game, constantly moving. If they turn on knees try to get your harness right away and take their back. The rear naked choke is the best sub against larger opponents in my opinion, so you should always be looking to take the back. Also a simple arm-drag from butterfly guard also serves as a good setup to take the back and get that choke. I usually set up x-guard from butterfly guard as well.
@Joe If you use the other shin than in the posted video, there is a TON of stuff you can do from there. If you get your other knee in (across his stomach), even if the foot stays on the same side, there are even more nasty sweeps, usually right into knee-on-belly. A brown belt at my gym is who dominates competitions uses it all the time, and calls it Phoenix Guard. I suck at it, but it's awesome all the same.
I roll with stronger bigger built powerful guys and for the most part butterfly guard sweeps, leg locks, and taking their back is where I focus on. Sometimes they're just so much stronger that they power out. Whatever you do if they pass or sweep don't let them settle their weight then it could be real hard to escape when they're just so top heavy. Or try to wear them down a little but that's only for the fatter out of shape heavier guys, if they're just bigger because they're stronger muscle heads then it's usually the smaller guy that gets worn down trying to move their weight around.
what works for me is triangles when you turn perpendicular, which you should be always rite?, and underhook the opposite knee. also taking the back from octopus guard, omoplatas, and north south chokes all seem to be successful for me, and leg locks, particularly achilles locks, kneebars, and calf crushers. if you can get to the truck you're gooooooolden....