The gi and why its a pain in the arse

ok i'm starting at gracie barra in perth on the 1/11/10 why so late (cash work holidays and general fitnes not enough all to much or not up to standard ) but i thought bugger it i'll get a gi so i'm ready when i go down there now i'm 6.2 120kgs and my god a a5 gi is way to big a a4 is big but it will shrink and just got me thinking how much i love no gi jujitsu its you some shorts a rash guard and thats it no more feeling like the count off sesame street with these huge lapels just over hooks and under hooks i'm NOW a firm beliver that no gi jujitsu is the purest form of this art that i have grown to love
Cheers Eddie and all you crazy 10th planet people
Peace Clinto

Haha i hope this becomes a "why i hate the gi" thread cause i can def contribute to that. My first experience with BJJ was at a hardcore gracie jiu jitsu, gi-only gym, and it was soooo frustrating to me because I was at the stage where I just wanted to get in there and roll and experience different partners and get my feet wet, but every time I would roll someone would just pull my gi over my head and I couldn't see shit and before I knew it my collar was wrapped around my neck 6 times. Boo gi, yay eddie!

Use the gi to your advantage! Get a handle deep inside his collar for constant leverage. Keep your chin in tight for cross collar chokes. Enjoy sweating your ass off (sarcasm but truth).

Lot of ass whoopers out there who wear a gi. And if you want to train with them, you're probably gonna have to slap one on sooner or later. Who knows? Maybe it will help you out one day when some douche bag in a leather jacket gets up in your face because he's feeling froggy. ;)

I started trianing in the gi a couple months ago and was very interested in it at first, even though it is heavy and extremely uncomfortable and I choke myself every time I do shoulder stretches. But the more I do it, the more I'm turned off by it. I am now in a bit of a habit of grabbing people's clothes and I have done it a few times when rolling nogi. I am still going to train in the gi, but when I roll in the gi, I am not going to use it. I am going to use the clenches and over/under hooks and the lockdown (managed to get the stomp on someone last week). It is very hard to control someone in a gi without using the gi. You have to have a much better grip and better posture and a tighter clench. So I think if you practice your nogi techniques in a gi, it will make your nogi game tighter I'm gonna try it and see if it works.

^ This :)

The Gi is a tool. If used properly it will advance your game. Problem is, if used improperly, than I believe it hinders your advancement in MMA. The Gi will keep you sweating your ass off, it will give your partners greater control of your base and posture.
As long as you train with your No-Gi grips, it's like training with a handicap, like a weight vest, or rolling with one hand in your belt. You give your opponent an distinct advantage by using ONLY No-Gi grips, over/underhooks. Then when you compete/fight/roll No-Gi you will be cooler, quicker with an increased base and posture, (IMO) My first 5 years of training was primarily in the Gi.

Some nogi stuff just doesn't work the same in the gi. Sooo much friction. Can't ghost for shit in those pajamas. Bottom side control becomes a death zone against people I can normally escape from. On the bright side...some stuff is tighter, such as lockdown and rubberguard. In retrospect, I think training in a gi is bad for mma but obviously good if you want more wins at a tournament. Guess you gotta prioritize.

Well, just think of what would happen if you found a way to make some of those nogi techniques work with the gi. Imagine how much easier it will become to do without the gi. My opinion. I'm testing it out anyway.

I just started JJ not to long ago, and just reading the forums in the last few months. I am super glad that I started nogi right off the bat, glad I don't have to worry someone pulling my rashguard over my head, or choking me with it.

I am a 10th planet addict. thank's all 10th planet gamers.

Getting deep hooks with the gi has really taken my belly down armbar and swim move to another level after I take the bathrobe off. :)

http://www.onthemat.com/system/files...kLuckyGi21.jpg

My next gi!!

I just want a pimpin gi at this point. My gold weave Gracie Jiu Jitsu gi is pretty badass, but a Lucky Gi just screams " I'm awesome and everyone's gotta know about it!" :P But I'll prolly buy a shoyoroll or 2 in the future as well.

love my koral gi...just havent worn it in 4 months after spendig all that money on it...thanks 10th planet

When I used to train BJJ, our instructor would make us wrap our own sweaty juiced out gis around our heads and calmly breath through them. It got us acclimated to being smothered pretty quickly.

Here are a few articles about the Gi vs No-Gi debate. The first one is actually an interview that Eddie did and he adds his two cents in the other articles.

Eddie on Gi vs No-Gi
http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi.html

Is Your No-Gi 'Tight?'
http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi-vs-gi-2.html

More Thoughts on Gi vs No-Gi
http://www.no-gi-grappling.com/no-gi.html

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

When I used to train BJJ, our instructor would make us wrap our own sweaty juiced out gis around our heads and calmly breath through them. It got us acclimated to being smothered pretty quickly.

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He probably just found it funny watching you guys do that. lol

I got a gi burn on me neck wich my GF fliped out over as she blamed a woman for it, so for that i stay well clear. Then again i had one off a darce choke once as well, that was even harder to explain.

It's funny, Eddie preaches to be open minded to his students and not hate but most of you aren't open to the idea of the Gi. You train in it maybe a month or two and complain the whole time because you don't know how to properly use it and get choked a lot then bad mouth the Gi. A few of you have actually trained in it for years, then decided it wasn't for you and much props to you for that. I love the Gi, I love all Ju Jitsu period.

i'm not saying i hate the the gi i'm just saying its a pain in the arse i'm a firm believer that if you train in the gi it gives you a better you a better base for no gi i think i t was jean jacques machado thats said that on the fight works pod cast or some thing to that effect

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Originally Posted by clinto

i'm not saying i hate the the gi i'm just saying its a pain in the arse i'm a firm believer that if you train in the gi it gives you a better you a better base for no gi i think i t was jean jacques machado thats said that on the fight works pod cast or some thing to that effect

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I don't know. Whenever I've rolled with mid level Gi guys in no gi, it always seems to knock their skill level down a rank or two. Conversely the same thing happens to me once we slap on the gis. I'm sure it only takes maybe a couple of weeks to adjust into a no gi game but that first moment of rolling their grips are slipping, their hooks are missing, and they just can't seem to retain posture and control.

i love the gi.

easy to break posture

and it hides my man boobs and huge gut.

It's funny, I just ordered my first gi today. I've been rolling no gi for about a year now, on and off, but the school I train in is focused on gi training, so I figure I'd try it out. It means I can train more, and there's no harm in mixing it up. Should be interesting...

I love no gi and it only makes sense for mma. I do see where the grips you use in the gi could help for self defense purposes. I think I could choke out a guy with his own shirt.

gi chokes are fun as hell even choking some one out with there jacket is even more fun

Perth has 2 jj seasons, the gi and no gi season. So maybe you could wait til summer, or do mma coz all their jj is no gi. I'd just ask the instructor if you can just wear gi pants and rash top. But then they won grade you because you can't show how good you can pull on lapels and collars. Sucks huh

mma jujitsu is mostly unranked i have found for rankings best to stick with the gi for jj

coming from a sambo background before i got into 10thpjj, i hate wearing the gi/kurtka, it was like wearing a 5 pound burlap sack for two hours a day; not to mention getting my fingers caught up in someone elses and having them sprained or broken. I still train with it on 50% of the time, but given the option I'll go no gi any day.

The way Sak used the gi against Royce was masterful that should of been a big statement right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91zNe0XlzK4

heres some gi on gi crimehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vId1v6N0SEU&feature=related

I think it just depends on your goal with JJ. I train both as much as possible.

I don't know what I believe anymore!!! I've heard quite compelling arguments from both sides... Sometimes I do think my Gi game helps my Nogi game & sometimes I think it holds me back as far as explosiveness & playing a tight clinch game!!! Fuck it, I'll just keep training in both until I'm well-rounded enough to form a legitimate decision...

I'm gettin' me one of those tie-dyed Gis to throw off my BJJ-comservative classmates...

The Gi won't make it out of global warming alive. And one of the only reasons so many of the top JJ players use the Gi is because thats what all the cool kids were doing. Once more and more people start devoting as much time to Nogi as has been devoted to Gi, you will see a huge increase of the top JJ players being purely Nogi. I personally never intend to put on a Gi because it would frusterate the hell out of me, all the holding and stalling.

This argument has always sounded to me like Heads and Tails arguing over who's the better Coin...

I could not thank everyone here at 10th Planet enough for helping out my traditional Gi work with your nogi world for sure! There are nights where I'll focus on limiting my technique to nogi techniques and I have brought my game up several levels as a direct result. But the flip side is true too. My best groundwork partner is a Brown Belt Judo guy who outweighs me by close to 70 lbs and when he gets Side Control and clamps my Gi to the ground; well, there aren't many occassions I get out, but I've tried for years!! And when I roll with nogi now, even if you get Side Control for a little bit -I KNOW I'm going to at least pull half guard.

And in the self defense catagory, how many times have you seen fights between 2 shirtless, beltless, towel-less, sockless, robe-less, jacket-less people in a place without cords or ropes? It would be a mistake to think that a slightly experienced JJ player couldn't choke you out with your own thin T-shirt. For those guys who rip off thier shirts at the start of a fight, I'm not going to take off mine; and if I do, it will be for the express purpose of choking the other guy out with it.

And if you don't practice Gi grips very often, well than your gassed-out club hand is going to set in a lot faster than mine...