MMA or " Mixed Messages Belt "

MMA schools are good at making " Jacks of All Trades " & " Masters of None " learn your jit's at an jiu jitsu only school, your muy thai at a muy thai school, wrestling at a wrestling school. Even though I did muy thai in countless fights growing up. I'll never tell a perspective student that I can teach them jiu jitsu and muy thai just to " make money" Unfortunately, this happens all the time with karate & muy thai schools trying to act like they can teach jiu jitsu and leaving many holes in unsuspecting students game. Example: a mma fighter told me he was a " Green Belt " in Jiu Jitsu, I laughed and told him there is no " Green Belt " in BJJ. He insisted I was wrong after 14 years of studying jits. Then his own instructor said he got his "Green belt" from a former kickboxing now MMA school. So that dude has the Pervervial " Mixed Messages Belt "

Your white belt turns black from blood sweat and tears theres no belt system in Shizen Ryu and the purpose is to learn as much as possible to make the style the art more practical more effective. My sensei would bring in a judo black belt or a muay thai fighter ECT... to come in work with us on techniques its not about belts but knowledge and understanding.

of course not !! The belt only recognizes a certain level of technical mastery. But with the many levels & layers to levels in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, just the fact that technical knowledge only takes you half way, the rest is creativity, And with BJJ being the most complex of martial arts. Many traditional martial art instructors have " Huge Ego's " and don't want to feel like " babies " again. So they will pick and choose " pieces of our Art " without studying the whole Art, and then they give out belts and have the nerve to call it Brazilian jiu jitsu. They might as well Piss on a students leg and tell them it's raining.

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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme

they might as well piss on a students leg and tell them it's raining.

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lol

Actually, a friend of mine visited a Gracie school in Buffalo last week and he told me there were green belts there. He asked what was going on and the teacher told him that Americans need a pat on the back more often than Brazilians so they started giving out green belts between white and blue.

I've heard of Yellow belts for kids between White & Blue because of the danger of Arm Locks ect. so it's better to teach really young kids only flow and Sweeps, because they yet don't understand the danger, just like " New Adults " but only for kids not 25 year old MMA fighters

I find it hilarious when people brag about their incorrectly colored BJJ achievement belts. I met a dude at the bar the other night who was talkin shit about being an orange belt in BJJ. I LOLed. Didn't give him too much shit for it tho, you don't want to push people who lie about their MMA training, they tend to have unstable personalities and can snap at any moment. I'm sure you've all been in a friendly convo about MMA and had some douche bag start talkin shit about it. I love it. A 10th planet student would never act like such a douche. 10thPJJ Forever!

Right on Sun !!! As Eddie say's Jits is certainly a douche bag filter. And the fact that you have to start out as a " Baby " is too much for a lot of dudes to handle. Some Fighters fight because they "love the sport", some fight because they "Need the Money" And most are both "Love and necessities" . But theres a "small few" who fight because they may have never had fights in the "Real World" or they always "Ran From People" and they want to proove to themselves that there not cowards. That's insecurity, that leads to Douchness.

just the fact that technical knowledge only takes you half way, the rest is creativity, And with BJJ being the most complex of martial arts. .

I love brazilian jiujitsu its a beautiful art but theres alot more to jiujitsu than the ground especially the stand up that hasnt been figured out yet november 4th the Warrior challenge is my first amatuer mma fight i plan on doing that.

Actually there are many stand up techniques to Gracie Jiu Jitsu, it's just that most schools forget to teach that aspect, which really pissed Grand Master Helio off.

Our academy does the self defense portion first. You have to have two stripes on the white belt to take the other classes. I like it that way. I think it is better to know the difference between " street defense" and " tournament" jiu-jitsu.

No doubt, I wouldn't advise playing "X Guard" in a street fight. After a student is "street ready", then I'll add the crazy shit to there game. It's good to have everything in your "back pocket" just in case for some "crazy reason" you need to pull " X Guard " or " Invert Guard " in a real fight. But "Rubber Guard" is the most street ready guard out there, it's damn near " punch proof "

I disagree, I'd NEVER pull Rubber Guard in a street fight, unless I was 100% sure it was 1v1

Im with you on that one JC! I can see it now guy pulls rubber guard and other guys friends start stomping on rubber guard guys head. That would not be cool.

of course you pull rubber in a street fight...how else are you going to get to the knife you should have strapped to your ankle..

Guys Don't be so " Dense " You only use jiu jitsu in a 1v1 situation, no one is saying play jits while getting jumped, thats stupid. And reality is that most Irate dudes, that walk around talking shit aren't carrying weapons any way. Anyone who's "from the streets" can tell you first hand that it's the " Scary Dudes " you have to worry about. Not so called tough guys. Scared dudes are quick to pull weapons, Trust me on that.

Renzo wouldnt agree that jiu jitsu is only for 1 on 1 situations and I dont either. You have to be smart enough to know when to do what and be aware of the other people and your surroundings but it can be used effectivly and I have defended myself with it many times. Like derrick said there ar stand up techniques in jiu jistu aswell. 1 on 1 rubber guard is much more effective thats why in a street fight you get your friends to keep his friends from stepping in and you show him the twistoplata. I did a twistoplata the other day and now I can see myslef doing it alot more often. Although if you have a bunch of guys try to jump you its probably best to use a style with lots of foot movement and fast hands.

Exactly, When there are "respectable enemies", fights are usually prolonged and not broken up, those usually end up on the ground. A lot of people who have never had fights, have this preconcieved notion in there heads of how random fights go. I thought we solved all this in UFC 1. But I realize that "Ones' Reality" in the "Hood" is much different than "Ones' Reality" in the "Suburbs"

Traditionally jiu jitsu was made for the battle field when a samurai lost his sword the objective was to cripple, kill, or mane the opponent get a weapon and move on to the next. Some dojos do work randori with multiple attackers no running overhand chops but practical attacks from assailants armed or unarmed that can happen in a real life situation the key is execution speed is just accuracy of motion. Ufc 1 proved bjj superior theres no lie about that but theres a difference between fighting in a cage and fighting in the street the cage is still a controled environment. I would ask you did you learn anything from Sakaraba when he was in his prime snapping Gracie arms. I dont distinguish between peoples perceptions of reality and split then into groups i get a better understanding of a man on how he carries himself and if hes of his word.

Snapping Gracie Arms using "Gracie Jiu Jitsu", And this isn't a question of ones' "character" or "Style vs Style" witch you seem to be "overly" hung up on. Only the randomness of "street fights" and the fact that "inner city kids" usually have a lot of experience in these matters. I've had my "fare share" growing up and Trust Me. Tough Guys will fight you 1v1 without friends jumping in. It's the "Scared dudes" that pull weapons and use them out of fear. Thats why it's better to "avoid confrontation" in the street as best you can. I'm sorry kid, but theres not a martial art in the World that will stop a 45 caliber. Unfortunately, I know someone who was too "Scared" to fight a dude 1v1 so he pulled a gun and shot the dude. Hes now doing "life" in a place where you fight to survive every day and Trust Me, He was never a "tough guy" in the neighborhood.

A quick thing on the belts, the gym that me (33 yrs of age) and my family go use an intermediate belt system where they throw in belt in between white and blue, (like yellow, orange and green) and even a red before the black. I don't know much of the stated reason why but I figure it is just to make some cash off of belt fees. the head instructor is legitamate and is a black belt of Carlos Machado. So there are some adult orange belts out there ( I am one of them)

Hey Gannard I'm sorry but, Red Belt is Above Mastery Level, The number of Red & black & straight Red Belts, you can count on one hand, like Carlos Gracie JR. and Rickson Gracie should be a Red Belt. These guys chew "Black Belts" up and spit them out.

I understand that but once again it is not my system it is the instructors system, and since he is not Gracie BJJ, i believe he can use whatever belt system he likes

True ! I guess I'm just a traditionalist in terms of philosophy. But very nontraditional in terms of this "Hybrid Style" developed on the 10th planet, via a "Cloud 9" space ship.

[QUOTE=derrick ikwueme;10148]Snapping Gracie Arms using "Gracie Jiu Jitsu"
He was using catch wrestling grappling does not begin and end with brazilian jiujitsu and its not about styles its about knowledge and understanding, you are right most fights do end up on the ground but sometimes its from a guy getting knocked out and falling there.

Traditional jujitsu uses pretty much the same belts as judo. Depends on the school (ryu) but my JJJ school it is white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, brown, black and then red and white. There are a couple of black belts that train bjj as well, and are white belts.

In reality, belts just hold up you pants.
Or tell you who to fight inna tournament.

Hey, Japanese Jiu jitsu, or Brazilian Jiu Jiujitsu, At least you know your getting the "Complete Art" a lot of people who seek Brazilian Jiu Jitsu at MMA schools are only getting "Pieces" of the art. I can't tell you how many times I've rolled with Upper level belts, Who didn't have solid survival and escaping skills, and once you take there back or mount them, they "Spazz Out". & survival and escaping should be heavily stressed at "White Belt". Why teach a "fancy sweep" or "submission" if the student can't defend and escape the Mount or the Back. Why "force" puzzle pieces into places where they don't fit.

http://www.columbusninjutsuclub.com/.../conflict.html

This is an excellent read on this subject. The subject of street fights doesn't seem to be well understood, and some arts are better geared towards these 4 levels of conflict than others.

Good article man.

Over analytical about simple matters, Theres usually not enough time to go over the legalities of a situation. Just be aware. If you can't avoid the situation, then do what you have to do to "survive". Fuck worrying about getting sued. Ladies, if a man attacks you always consider it "Life & Death" and only worry about how long you have to close off the "Arteries" before that fuckers finished for good. No jury in there right mind would convict you, and you'd save someone else from being a victim.

Yeah, belt colors in BJJ vary a lot between schools. I was curious about "Green Belts" as well as I have a Facebook Friend who attends ATT West Palm Beach and tested a few months ago for her green belt. Sure enough, there are BJJ schools giving out greens between white and blue belt to mark progress. Belt progression for kids under most Gracie affiliates have various combinations of white, yellow, orange, & green. Royce wears a Navy Blue Belt instead of a black belt to honor his father, but still promotes the standard belt colors (link to video below; we're a Royce-Affiliate school and I can attest that he does, indeed wear a navy blue belt when in the gi) In all honesty, in the words of Mr. Miyagi: "No need belt! Use rope, hold up pants!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9nDX...layer_embedded

Oh, back to belts, Sorry. went on a little rant about "Litigation"