Help with Milton Vieira Finish

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10-07-2011, 10:31 PM
Tony Toffolo

Help with Milton Vieira Finish

hey folks, anyone know about this finish milton gets? looks like something between a darce and a japanese necktie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtwaM4CtRUw
10-07-2011, 11:00 PM
Sean Marshall

Looks like a darce from guard. Darcotine maybe. I dont know what thats called... Notice the leg blocking like a Carne.
10-08-2011, 08:34 AM
Tony Toffolo

i wonder if that is a better position to finish a darce from or if he just has a really intense squeeze
10-08-2011, 09:27 AM
bobby rivers

Its an option for when they're not on their side. Instead of dumpin 'em , you can slide under and capture, then arch and squeeze crunching his head toward his chest. This will help finish the choke. Im sure his squeeze is amazing though, but ive finished this way as well.
10-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Tyler Timmermans

im a white belt but isn't that an arm in ninja choke.
10-08-2011, 09:43 AM
Tony Toffolo

so its like a japanese necktie where you hip in (forcing his head to his chest as you mentioned) but you go to the full darce grip instead of just sticking with the vice-grip?
10-08-2011, 09:44 AM
Tony Toffolo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

im a white belt but isn't that an arm in ninja choke.

true that, a ninja choke is essentially a no-arm darce. you can look at it either way.
10-08-2011, 09:54 AM
Tyler Timmermans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-xn5b56o8&feature=related
dose it go something like this
10-08-2011, 10:04 AM
Tony Toffolo

yessir, exactly how the ninja choke works
10-08-2011, 10:11 AM
Tyler Timmermans

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

yessir, exactly how the ninja choke works

while i love that choke then, it comes up alot specially against wrestlers.
10-08-2011, 10:16 AM
Tony Toffolo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

while i love that choke then, it comes up alot specially against wrestlers.

awesome. why do you think you get it so much on wrestlers?
10-08-2011, 10:21 AM
Tyler Timmermans

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

awesome. why do you think you get it so much on wrestlers?

i think it is because when ever theres space for a wrestler to move they try and turn there head toward you and run you over where someone with a jiu jitsu backround turn there feet towards there opponent.
10-08-2011, 10:29 AM
Tony Toffolo

interesting. ill keep that in mind. thanks guy
10-08-2011, 03:51 PM
bobby rivers

That video, while cool, is a different attack. The first part is more of a power guillotine cuz the ninja choke is from guard. Semantics, but I like for all of us to be on the same page. Never seen the 'Walsh choke' anaconda variation and am gonna drill it to try it out.

Yeah Tony, the finishing movements are very similar. Cept on the JNT your whole body is a barrior crunching and trapping his head and on Milton's marce variation it is only your tricep with the cradleing action of hooking the leg.