Gets to arm in Omo-Plata and triangle a couple times through out the fight on a black belt. Is there specific names for when the arm is in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshXm...layer_embedded
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Gets to arm in Omo-Plata and triangle a couple times through out the fight on a black belt. Is there specific names for when the arm is in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshXm...layer_embedded
Sean, hmmm that was weird but interesting. It was like a London but instead of overhooking, he was underhooking. Still had his arm trapped, but his other arm was free to punch him. And, in the end, he set up the omo-plata anyway. It just seemed his arm was stuck and he just went with it anyway, improvising.
Thanks for the post man.
To me, he's in a similar position of control to Chill Dog, one that frees up the left hand for grabbing the wrist for Triangles, Omoplatas and punches, but obviously takes away from other things like Gogoplatas. I think it's a nice option to add to your Rubber Guard game.
He should have grabbed Santos' wrist with his left hand to bring his right arm out when he got to the Triangles and Omoplata, as the right arm still being in didn't help. When he got it out and couldn't finish the Omoplata, he should have done an "orbit" with his legs to finish.
Edit: Also, Ben Saunders is only a Brown Belt and just completely dominated a Black Belt 2x BJJ World Champion in the Guard, Wrestling AND on top. Submitting a BJJ black belt is sometimes lucky, but that was just a grappling clinic, wow.
Whatever variant of the rubber guard that was, it was totally overwhelming - Santos had no answer. Saunders was throwing up those reverse triangles every time Santos tried to posture.
Saunders looked fantastic. I wonder if he'll be awarded his black belt after that performance.
The arm in version of omoplata sucks!! It prevents you from hugging his waist which stops him from rolling or jumping to the other side.
Awesome guardwork by Saunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Chow
Just to clarify, Santos is not a BB 2x BJJ world champ.
I can't help but feel - even though it was awesome guard work and excellent control - that normal rubber guard and knowing more when it comes to Jiu Claw and reversing the triangle to the normal triangle would have let him win that in the 1st round.
The other guy had no idea how to counter anything that was happening.
Maybe it's another look at an uncut, rough style or path that should be played with and modified.
Yeah, sittin here Im sure we all saw places to finish. Traditional triangle, Imanari, Carni, inverted armbar from reverse triangle. Either way, he got out healthy and victorious. Badass fight.
Hand on the mat= inferior position for those willing trap it. Case point.
in the 1st round is there a hazlelet in the making the whole time, and is that called the london position
I've never used it so don't know how effective it is, but a few times it looked like Saunders could have applied Ari's Bolt Lock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W87C1hN73ik
No, that's not London :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Surridge
Awesome - Cant help hinking a few times he had his head right there and the arm through, by switching to the other side he could have easily triangled him.
a little research shows the hand on the other side of the leg for london, thanks jay i knew a guy from liverpool would recognize the london position if askd :)
I dont' get enough mat time to try this....1st I'm sure this isn't rubber guard. This is more of an omoplata while underhooking your own leg to get more weight and control on that shoulder. It looks pretty clever along with looking pretty damn effective. Underhooking the shin seems to have put all the weight on that shoulder. Then when triangling the legs, it looks like the arm in reduced the space and allowed the triangle to have a tighter grip. The only down side to it is that you have a hand trapped as well.
So Eddie has called it Killer B Control...Hu Chang
Hu Chang?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Chow
Is this something that was part of the system all along or something that he plans on including? Is it going to go off the RG path or is it an alternative path of its own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Chow
It is a nice option and something to think about... I lik using the paper cutter control instead of normal mission control...for i.e. lets say ur suing ur left leg and gripping it with ur right hand for mission control....I establish control then i switch to just using my left hand it kinda chokes them and leaves ur right hand open to battle thier free arm...
I'm thinking that this variation might be applicable for me against larger opponents where you can only control one side of their body. On larger guys I usually resort to a basic overhook game or flying chill dog since I can't control their posture enough for crack head or even cross my legs for double bagger.
It's tough to say though since Santos didn't seem to have any major defensive skills against the position. I mean he was defending but the way he kept putting his hand on the mat made me think that he wasn't too familiar with that sort of game.
I was sent several emails about this fight because of the reverse triangle position Ben was using. Great fight to watch for sure. Ben was doing a modified bolt lock throughout the fight. The one think I wonder about though is this: I suspect that Ben's arm trapped under his own leg makes the lock on that side tighter as it 'fills in the space' but I am not sure why you'd want to trap your own arm with you leg as it limits range of motion and mobility (types of attacks you can you with that arm).
Just a thought but loved watching it!
I know Im really late to this party but I just watched this fight so I figured Id find what people had to say about this fight in the forum. If this isnt rubber guard, Id like to know what really constitutes a position being called "rubber guard." When a guy just grabs his toes and the announcers say "Hes working the rubber guard" I hate it because its not doing what rubber guard is suppose to be doing (controlling the posture while being able to attack with your free arm). Is it because its not in Eddie's book or no one in the system really endorses it? I mean I would consider it rubber guard because it really just looks like a modification to chill dog. Your other arm is free, youre controlling the posture and theres a few different submission opportunities. So for me this entire fight is a perfect example as to why rubber guard is the most effective guard for MMA.