From Rogan's podcast- Benfits of learning BJJ

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10-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Jack LaBarge

From Rogan's podcast- Benfits of learning BJJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tp7L...yer_embedded#!
10-20-2011, 02:32 PM
PJ Sisco

haha nice Joe Rogan is one of my favorite comedians... but i might be a little biased
10-20-2011, 02:35 PM
J Grooms

I feel like what he said is true about any wrestling art.. MMA, Jiu Jitsu, or whatever.
10-20-2011, 03:17 PM
Eric Perez

awesome
10-20-2011, 03:19 PM
Scott Philips

Got a couple rookie members of the hotbox that I just showed this too following a morning training session. Perfect timing Jack
10-21-2011, 07:36 AM
Jason Hyatt

Exactly right. Especially about the whole Marcelo thing. Jiu jitsu teaches you in very short order that a little dude who really knows what he is doing has nothing to fear from a giant douchebag. Getting your ass kicked on a very regular basis is a good way to develop humility. Anyone who's ever been choked out has a perspective on the world most people don't ever get. You fought to the death and LOST. That you're still alive is by virtue of the fact we agree on the rules and have elected not to kill each other. But that's what's happening. Damn I love jiu jitsu! :D
10-21-2011, 08:45 AM
Eric "Tiger Blood" Safier

Rogan is the man!
10-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Taylor Culbertson

I wish Rogain would run for office. I would pay to see him on a prime time national debate with a bunch of lying scum. I honestly believe he would have a real chance. I think the country is ready for someone like him. Politically he is in line with Ron Paul and Ron wins most straw polls, but has no real chance because he just looks and acts like a pussy. Rogan is young, good looking, charismatic, and persuasive. He might have to not practice his inside voice, but other than that I think this is a real idea that should be explored.
10-21-2011, 11:10 AM
Tyler Frazier

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

Joe isn't correct here. You get all kinds of people. Against a guy/girl that wants to claw your eyes out, everything changes! same deal with knifes. You can have all your wrist tendons cut before you realize you can't operate any digits. That is a lot of surgery and rehab. Hell you can be disemboweled with a single stroke of an Olfa blade. And yes a gun ends it all sooner than that. Just two decent alert guys can mess up any black belt.

I hate to admit this.. but ishtars got a point here. Nowadays it doesn't matter how good you are. The streets is a whole different ball game. You got to worry about multiple attackers, weapons etc. I'd rather avoid a confrontation all together. Plus even if you happen to win you still got the law to deal with.
10-21-2011, 12:47 PM
J Grooms

His point is... if you have some drunk asshole trying to harass you at a party... training > no training .

Or carry a knife and gun.
10-21-2011, 01:09 PM
Taylor Culbertson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

How can you insult him and praise him at the same time?
Joe would get lost in that debate. The audience expect certain kinds of people and responses. They would see Joe as a comedian just mucking around. If they don't take Ron seriously, an elder statesman what chance does Joe have?
The vast majority would not hear anything.
Joe is too short. The taller guy always wins, that is how dumb this shit is.

The more you type the dumber it gets. They don't take Ron seriously for the reasons I said Rogain could have a real chance. The taller guy doesn't always win. Bush sorta beat Gore and horse face. It comes down to charisma and presence, both of which Rogan has an abundance of. He could be taken seriously if he chose to be. He is both smarter and more articulate than Al Franken, Jesse Ventura or Arnold.
10-21-2011, 01:17 PM
David Rosado

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Hyatt

Exactly right. Especially about the whole Marcelo thing. Jiu jitsu teaches you in very short order that a little dude who really knows what he is doing has nothing to fear from a giant douchebag. Getting your ass kicked on a very regular basis is a good way to develop humility. Anyone who's ever been choked out has a perspective on the world most people don't ever get. You fought to the death and LOST. That you're still alive is by virtue of the fact we agree on the rules and have elected not to kill each other. But that's what's happening. Damn I love jiu jitsu! :D

Good post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

Joe isn't correct here. You get all kinds of people. Against a guy/girl that wants to claw your eyes out, everything changes! same deal with knifes. You can have all your wrist tendons cut before you realize you can't operate any digits. That is a lot of surgery and rehab. Hell you can be disemboweled with a single stroke of an Olfa blade. And yes a gun ends it all sooner than that. Just two decent alert guys can mess up any black belt.

A guy with training 7/10 times wins versus a guy with no training. Add weapons and a guy trained to deal with weapon attacks wins 7/10 times against your average knife/ox weilding assailant.

Now an unarmed BJJ guy vs a knife weilding Kali guy? LOL. I'd rather not think about it. I saw a karambit demonstration and was terrified. If I ever see a guy take a kali stance I'll apologize to high heaven kid. Hahah.

But you're right. Fighting (if not for sport) should ALWAYS be a last resort.
10-21-2011, 02:13 PM
David Rosado

But dude, kali with knives? Cmon b.

I guess the first statistic is fabled, but don't you think an unarmed military guy vs an untrained guy with a knife would take him out?
10-21-2011, 03:55 PM
Tyler Timmermans

i agree with every thing said but it seems a littel jiu jitsu bias, like the guy with the best jj will always win in an altercation.
10-21-2011, 04:26 PM
Cody Kietzman

Trust me if i have a gun drawn u will not win...

I avoid fights with random assholes at all cost u just don't know whats gonna happen..prime example see the McAss Whoopin thread.
10-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Frank R.

Training vs no training better than no training vs no training. Training vs knife better than no training vs knife. Math doesn't lie, go ahead plug it in your calculators.
10-21-2011, 05:27 PM
Tyler Frazier

The reality of trying to fight a guy with a knife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqy95dWUFO8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-EVLyIpts&feature=related
10-21-2011, 05:30 PM
Eric "Tiger Blood" Safier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFP-MktgOKU
10-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Jack LaBarge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE
10-21-2011, 05:44 PM
Tyler Timmermans

when will you ever get in a knife vs knife fight a more practical video would be knife vs chair.
10-21-2011, 06:15 PM
J Grooms

I'm sick of trolls with fake names who act like they're smart.
10-21-2011, 06:16 PM
Cody Kietzman

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Grooms

I'm sick of trolls with fake names who act like they're smart.

U don't fucking talk about Renato like that! : )
10-21-2011, 06:52 PM
Cody Kietzman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

Unless its fake or empty or jams like in the movies! lol. But that is astronomically rare. If a person senses danger and they know how to use a gun, its pretty safe to say your gonna die.

Even bulletproof vest will not stop certain types of ammo and at close range your chances get worse. A friend of mines got hit on the leg with small arms fire at close range, he has no calf or feeling in one leg which is 3 inches shorter now. All the crap about Movie heroes getting shot 8 times and still killing all the bad guys is just nonsense that beggars believe.

JJ is a a very useful system of defense when its one on one. That is just rare these days as trouble never walks alone.

First round can't jam if its already in the chamber : ) ya guns are no joke and should be treated with extreme respect.
10-21-2011, 07:14 PM
Frank R.

I can see why someone would stab you. lol

I guess you don't get what people are trying to say around here... people don't like you buddy. :-)
10-22-2011, 03:00 AM
Jay Chow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

Weight, strength, natural ability and motivation mean more than training.

Bullshit, you missed the first Jiu Jitsu class then? I do agree that if there is a weapon involved then it changes things, but weight, strength and motivation? No way.
10-22-2011, 11:38 AM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

His name is Rogan, Ro-Gan, Say after me, Roooo Gaaaaannn, faster now, Rooo Gaaann

Faster one more time. RooGaan! Rogan! you can do it, yes you can. Rogan

Not Ro-Gain! You have been looking at the Rogain bottle in your bathroom. It doesn't work on balls either.

Bush stole the election. Look at the height of these guys over the last hundred years. They have been getting taller. Joe is like 5.5 maybe 5.6 last time I saw him.

Rank No President Height refs
1 16 Abraham Lincoln 6 ft 4 in 193 cm
1 36 Lyndon B. Johnson 6 ft 4 in 193 cm
3 3 Thomas Jefferson 6 ft 2 1⁄2 in 189 cm
4 32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 6 ft 2 in 188 cm
4 41 George H. W. Bush 6 ft 2 in 188 cm
4 42 Bill Clinton 6 ft 2 in 188 cm
7 1 George Washington 6 ft 1 1⁄2 in 187 cm
8 7 Andrew Jackson 6 ft 1 in 185 cm
8 40 Ronald Reagan 6 ft 1 in 185 cm
8 44 Barack Obama 6 ft 1 in 185 cm
11 5 James Monroe 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 10 John Tyler 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 15 James Buchanan 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 20 James A. Garfield 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 21 Chester A. Arthur 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 29 Warren G. Harding 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 35 John F. Kennedy 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
11 38 Gerald Ford 6 ft 0 in 183 cm
19 27 William Howard Taft 5 ft 11 1⁄2 in 182 cm
19 31 Herbert Hoover 5 ft 11 1⁄2 in 182 cm
19 37 Richard Nixon 5 ft 11 1⁄2 in 182 cm
19 43 George W. Bush 5 ft 11 1⁄2 in 182 cm
23 22 Grover Cleveland 5 ft 11 in 180 cm [6]
23 28 Woodrow Wilson 5 ft 11 in 180 cm [6],[18]
25 34 Dwight D. Eisenhower 5 ft 10 1⁄2 in 179 cm [6]
26 14 Franklin Pierce 5 ft 10 in 178 cm [6]
26 17 Andrew Johnson 5 ft 10 in 178 cm
26 26 Theodore Roosevelt 5 ft 10 in 178 cm
26 30 Calvin Coolidge 5 ft 10 in 178 cm
30 39 Jimmy Carter 5 ft 9 1⁄2 in 177 cm
31 13 Millard Fillmore 5 ft 9 in 175 cm
31 33 Harry S. Truman 5 ft 9 in 175 cm
33 19 Rutherford B. Hayes 5 ft 8 1⁄2 in 174 cm
34 9 William Henry Harrison 5 ft 8 in 173 cm
34 11 James K. Polk 5 ft 8 in 173 cm
34 12 Zachary Taylor 5 ft 8 in 173 cm
34 18 Ulysses S. Grant 5 ft 8 in 173 cm
38 6 John Quincy Adams 5 ft 7 1⁄2 in 171 cm
39 2 John Adams 5 ft 7 in 170 cm
39 25 William McKinley 5 ft 7 in 170 cm
41 23 Benjamin Harrison 5 ft 6 in 168 cm
41 8 Martin Van Buren 5 ft 6 in 168 cm
43 4 James Madison 5 ft 4 in 163 cm

It has nothing at all to do with these characteristics. It comes down to Money, marketing and propaganda.

How can you even place Arnold in with Ventura and Al Franken! You retard toad!

That is a fabled statistic! Weight, strength, natural ability and motivation mean more than training.

See above.

In the 70's people would do the same thing when guys would hit a Karate Stance. Eddie Murphy played a great example of this in Trading Places.

"The Quarter Blood technique"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOAYURCY2RM

You put a lot of effort in trying to win a battle of wit over the internet. Kinda sad
10-22-2011, 12:03 PM
David Rosado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYGUoZyJs18

Turns out BJJ CAN help in a knife fight.
10-22-2011, 12:11 PM
Cody Kietzman

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Rosado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYGUoZyJs18

Turns out BJJ CAN help in a knife fight.

It didn't help Nate much lol
10-22-2011, 12:19 PM
Cody Kietzman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

You missed reality. Its clear you have never experienced a person who really wanted to kill you attack you, Motivation. You have also never had a huge strongman that can handle himself put his hands on you with, Weight. You have also never met a freak that can jump over cars, run the 100m in 10 odd seconds, ability. Your dreaming if you think a person with such explosive fibers is going to be controlled by simple technique.

You ever tried JJ in a small room with a concrete floor with corners around you? Without mats and sharp objects around you, your training isn't realistic, yet you believe it is. The world doesn't have mats, its filled with objects that can hurt you without much effort. The only thing that stopped the first death in MMA was a suspended ply floor. Ricardo Arona would be dead if Rampage slammed him on a concrete floor or step. Its that simple. Also note, the Gracie's would challenge people on the sandy beach or mats in the Dojo. A controlled plush environment, think about it. In the streets you will get soccer kicked in the balls and head. With two people your JJ is effectively nullified. Next time you are on the mat, have a guy head stomp, if he KO's you he gets $100 that is his only defense and motivation. That will be the best $100 you spent on a lesson in martial arts.

Scott stop trolling ppl you know technique isn't simple....
10-22-2011, 12:22 PM
Cody Kietzman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caliphate Ishtar Allah

That was just not realistic at all. Your dreaming if you think it was.

I agree if you have ever seen someone get stabbed you know this isn't true. I unfortunately have the displeasure of seeing a man stabbed, its not pretty and its not like the video at all. The guy got stabbed about 7 or 8 times in under 5 seconds....he didn't make it.
10-22-2011, 03:09 PM
David Rosado

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

It didn't help Nate much lol

Lol I didn't say JJ WILL help people. Just saying it CAN help. I survived a knife attack before. I got cut, yeah. But I controlled the amount of damage just off instinct and basic middle school level wrestling. Similar to what Fitch did. Lots of wrist control.

But that's why I fear Kali dudes. Because they know how to deal with wrist control.
10-22-2011, 04:39 PM
Eric "Tiger Blood" Safier

I've only been doing Jiu jitsu for around 8 months all together . I mainly train MMA now and our school is mainly wrestling and striking ...We do drill some submissions for MMA. But the things I learned from training Jiu Jitsu no gi has been a big benefit in my MMA now. LOL I'm the only person at our school who pulls rubberguard :) and it works great!