Interesting New Way to Mount

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11-07-2011, 10:12 PM
J Grooms

Interesting New Way to Mount

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_klpVvvZe9w
11-07-2011, 10:35 PM
Brent Smith

I like that alot. Thank you for this!
11-08-2011, 01:10 AM
Jerry Beal

That is my instructor,Mike Simpson, from North Sound BJJ in Lake Stevens, WA. Super cool instructor and totally open minded. He is always working on new techniques and giving props to his students when they work new and unique stuff.
11-08-2011, 06:35 AM
Spínola

Thanks for sharing the video! Very interesting.
11-08-2011, 07:41 AM
Robert Sevigny

nah man i dont like this "new mount" at ALL, no idea where this dude got his belt from but if he knows the principals of jiujitsu he wouldnt be playing this game. hes "showing off" is what hes doing or even doing a MOUNT-SHORTCUT but i refuse to call his a legitimate position!!! theres no balance on that right knee on the mat, WHERES HIS BASE, sloppy mount play is what i say

GUYS GO BACK TO NORMAL MOUNT use this as a transition to armtriangles or gullotines or neckties but never use this as a STALLING POSITION cause they can get out pretty easily
11-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Calan Ownhouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sevigny

nah man i dont like this "new mount" at ALL, no idea where this dude got his belt from but if he knows the principals of jiujitsu he wouldnt be playing this game. hes "showing off" is what hes doing or even doing a MOUNT-SHORTCUT but i refuse to call his a legitimate position!!! theres no balance on that right knee on the mat, WHERES HIS BASE, sloppy mount play is what i say

GUYS GO BACK TO NORMAL MOUNT use this as a transition to armtriangles or gullotines or neckties but never use this as a STALLING POSITION cause they can get out pretty easily

No base? It's called hands. I've used this, and it works. Remember that in Jiu Jitsu, NOTHING is fool-proof. There's a counter to every single thing, so no point discarding something because there is a way out.
Usually when I do this people push so hard on the knee, you can underhook the pushing arm and take the armbar or take the back. But people don't like that shin on belly and them pushing you or bucking you off just sets up more stuff if you are waiting for it.
11-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sevigny

nah man i dont like this "new mount" at ALL, no idea where this dude got his belt from but if he knows the principals of jiujitsu he wouldnt be playing this game. hes "showing off" is what hes doing or even doing a MOUNT-SHORTCUT but i refuse to call his a legitimate position!!! theres no balance on that right knee on the mat, WHERES HIS BASE, sloppy mount play is what i say

GUYS GO BACK TO NORMAL MOUNT use this as a transition to armtriangles or gullotines or neckties but never use this as a STALLING POSITION cause they can get out pretty easily

I cant tell if youre serious but if you are youre funny. Theres so many possibilities from there theres no way you can call that a stalling postition. The first thing someone is going to do is start pushing on that knee and trying to shrimp out. He showed two great/simple techniques for when that do that exact thing. Have you played with the position long enough to even base a legit opinion on it?
11-08-2011, 10:01 AM
Landon DuMar

He's just trolling
11-08-2011, 10:18 AM
AJ Camacho

I don't want to say that it just looks like a deep variation of a knee on belly, but what are the advantages of this iteration of mount versus just a standard knee on belly?
11-08-2011, 10:37 AM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

I don't want to say that it just looks like a deep variation of a knee on belly, but what are the advantages of this iteration of mount versus just a standard knee on belly?

I would assume that grapevine will take away some mobility..Maybe be able to transition to some of the standard mount options pretty easily IE gangsta lean, S mount. Or be able to bail off to side control without being snared in a half guard
All speculation cause I havent tried it out yet
11-08-2011, 11:25 AM
Robert Sevigny

Quote:

Originally Posted by Landon DuMar

He's just trolling

land, i teach your boy herb, so im pretty sure i aint trollin
11-08-2011, 02:41 PM
Harry Evans

I really like this, and I am going to play with it. I like transitional positions, which is what knee-on-belly is anyway. When you do the standard basic mount by driving your knee across your opponent's belly, the weak spot is usually the other knee, because you take your weight off of it and the guy can elbow escape right back into half guard. The grapevine seems to tighten that up and let you stay for a second. I'm pretty sure this has at least some merit - the guy is a professor under Gracie Barra, and even though they are my gym's rivals, they are extremely legit.
11-08-2011, 04:30 PM
Jameson (Weebo)

same foot work as prefect dog fight. i dub thee Dog fight on belly!
11-10-2011, 01:23 AM
Harry Evans

Dog on belly? Dog Belly?
11-10-2011, 03:01 AM
Joachim Hoff

Big bellied Corgi? (love Corgi's)
11-10-2011, 05:55 AM
Enrique "Kiko"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Evans

Dog on belly? Dog Belly?

Belly Dog!
11-10-2011, 09:18 AM
Chris Herzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sevigny

nah man i dont like this "new mount" at ALL, no idea where this dude got his belt from but if he knows the principals of jiujitsu he wouldnt be playing this game. hes "showing off" is what hes doing or even doing a MOUNT-SHORTCUT but i refuse to call his a legitimate position!!! theres no balance on that right knee on the mat, WHERES HIS BASE, sloppy mount play is what i say

GUYS GO BACK TO NORMAL MOUNT use this as a transition to armtriangles or gullotines or neckties but never use this as a STALLING POSITION cause they can get out pretty easily

Robert has spoken!
11-10-2011, 09:22 AM
Chris Herzog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Sevigny

land, i teach your boy herb, so im pretty sure i aint trollin

Well thats all the credibility you need.
11-10-2011, 11:00 AM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

Belly Dog!

Dog mount?
11-10-2011, 06:51 PM
gene k

Thanks
11-10-2011, 07:07 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Dog mount?

We may just have a winner.
11-10-2011, 07:18 PM
Griffin Lambert

I played around with this a bit today in sparring. I didn't get swept but I didn't feel comfortable attacking.