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hey guys, question on the whip up. Im currently getting stuck, I go for the whip with double underhooks, and the guy will just slide the leg up that doesnt have the lockdown up to mid rib cage, then hold on under my neck for dear life and I end up just getting stuck in a stale mate... any ideas for me?
I remember Coach Herzog posting a video (I think) where he shows doing a Fat Whip > Electric chair for someone who is strong and hanging on tightly. (Again, I could be wrong, but I believe that was the scenario.)
Have you started stomping people to butterfly yet? Are you getting the double under hooks or perfect double underhooks? A video or picture is always nice.
its not perfect double underhooks, as I havent gotten to my side, im pretty much flat on my back because they hook my neck, bring a leg up and just hold on for dear life... its frusterating...
I know a few people are shrimping toward old skool and the other options off the lockdown, rather than whipping up at all.
Seems like this could help solve the problems you are having.
It also makes their capoeira pass less effective too.
I assume your opponent has a whizzer in and is holding your neck with his free arm. I think you can modify the Jaws of Life to the Cop Sweep shown in MTS 29. Just reap the arm that is holding your neck, trap it and then switch from the lock down to a butterfly hook with the super stomp - and sweep.
Ill have to watch the video, Its more like theres one arm underneath my neck and there figure fouring it like they think theres a choke, like a rnc. I tried the fat whip last night but the guy just kept basing out and framing when I tried to roll thru... When Im whipping and am the shorter guy, I feel like I cant extend my lock down enough to wreck and control his base... I hate being short!!! )= I just started shrimping like a mfer last night instead...
Scott he can't be RNCing,framing and posting/basing all at the same time, your missing windows of oppertunites. Sounds like you need to put in more reps with a training partner. If he's basing and framing, hes not holding onto your head, whip the hips out and go to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Carvalho
Thank you sir... I think thats excatly what I need. It seemed like once I got his arm off my neck, and tried to whip, he would just extend his arms out and stop me mid roll, push back into me and I would get stuck again and have to start over... I will try again tonight, thanks again for sticking it out and helping me. Its hard not having a 10th planet coach to show me what Im doing wrong as Im doing it... maybe Ill have to do visit Denny.... (=
No problem, and yes go visit Denny!
I've been in the same position as you Scott. I've got one big student 6'4" 315 who naturally falls into the position when I lock him down. I'd have to say Coach Zog's fat whip and Einstein's no hand whip helped me the most. Btw, I teach angry rainbow just to hear my guys shouting it during a comp lmfao!
there is a calf crank you can try. if your lock isnt giving them some pain, your outside leg/ instead of hooking your inside the guard leg, turn your foot back out and hook his calf/ankle. so youre really wrapping that leg, then use your inside leg and push on your other heel like a loco platta but on his leg. It hurts like hell if done right and some dudes will give up position just to get you to stop, and some will just tap if they havent felt it before.
I learned the Fat Whip from Brent Littell, dude is a wealth of information!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony "The Goods" Garcia
Great video Herzog, thanks for sharing. You're a great teacher.
Thanks for the kind words brotha!Quote:
Originally Posted by James Fazzolari
If I can ask, what's your opinion on using the "fat whip" as your standard start to a sweep chain? I know that the electric chair is more complicated than old school, but if I drilled the hell out of it, would it be a good go to move instead?
Then again, if old school is working, I probably shouldn't mess with the formula.
Its about having options, many guys pesonalize their game and specialize in diffrent paths and transitions in the system. Theres no problem with making a specific technique and transition your "go to" game, just make sure to have a back up plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Fazzolari