Has anyone seen this video before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XptXD...FA4EC5CF4947FA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJnSxN0Ngv8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F66JqMCAsEc&feature=related

I've only landed it a couple of times in live rolling, and all times were against the same person. I can't seem to thread my leg through the arm and behind the back with a high level of proficiency. I can't quite figure out if it's that i'm not hipping out properly, or if this is just an extremely low percentage move, but the set up is similar to trapping an arm for an rnc, so I think there's something I'm missing in mechanics.

I really like the control in the position when you can land it, and mr syko dragon really went all out with the different options.

well enjoy, and lemme know what you think

gtfo troll

I hope you are trolling and not serious with this shit.

I still don't understand what trolling is... I sent an im to ask what your reply meant. I thought trolling was when someone only had something negative to bring to an online discussion.

I was genuinely being serious about asking peoples opinion on this position. It's quite old, and I've messed around with it here and there. I figured maybe some other 10th planet heads would have seen it or have a valid opinion, on it.

I dunno, I see it's potential...

the pregant wife victim in part 3 is fucking gold

I like it

what did BJ think of this series?

Basing a new series of movements, with only a week of "playing with it" based on another unproven series of movements is a great way to create new techniques. I highly recommend it!

looks cool

Trolling is when you post something to get a rise out of people. Example: you post an utterly ridiculous tech video knowing its crap and then when people proceed to shit on the video you argue with them to get your jollies. Apparently you were being genuine so uh...give it hell bro. Sorry for my confusion.

I didn't show bj this, though I wonder what he would think. He and his bros are heavy into that advanced detailed basics kinda style. They kinda stick to your more traditional stuff, but with an emphasis on details that raise percentages. I've moved to Kona too, so training in Hilo is a bit rough.

To chris herzog, u mind giving more of a technical analysis of what you think about this systems mechanics.

As i said earlier, stepping back and threading the arm in real time seems to be the harderst part, but it's all down hil from there.

It seems that the threading the arm part may be easier with the more tightness and constant pressure you put on the opponent. I havent tried it but it looks effective with the body positioning and leverage you create handcuffing both arms like that.

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basing a new series of movements, with only a week of "playing with it" based on another unproven series of movements is a great way to create new techniques. I highly recommend it!

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looool

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

I still don't understand what trolling is... I sent an im to ask what your reply meant. I thought trolling was when someone only had something negative to bring to an online discussion.

I was genuinely being serious about asking peoples opinion on this position. It's quite old, and I've messed around with it here and there. I figured maybe some other 10th planet heads would have seen it or have a valid opinion, on it.

I dunno, I see it's potential...

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One example of trolling would be trying to pass off something like this as a "legitimate martial art with value."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDflNAuwUlw&feature=channel_video_title

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Basing a new series of movements, with only a week of "playing with it" based on another unproven series of movements is a great way to create new techniques. I highly recommend it!

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Solid coach Zog!

upon review I guess your comments were meant to be sarcastic, something you'd expect from a super moderator...

i wasnt aware that this was how 10th planet affiliates show appreciation to people who've spent 60 bucks to be here and genuinely discuss matters of jiujitsu.

I know it's an open forum, and there's bound to be people who just wanna spit non sense, but I was genuine in seeing if others could see the potential in what took some honest time and effort for this guy to create. Much like how eddie originally bagged on double bagger, after it's rather short time of being "proven" it is now the stable of many 10th planet practitioners.

for someone of your rank and responsibility, I'd just expect more encouragement and less newbie white belt behavior behind a key board.

all the best on your journey to a black belt.

opening doors is what makes a teacher great, not closing them...

It's you in the video right?
Why don't you use your real name like Eddie has requested?
You did not pay $60 to be here you paid $60 for the mts techniques. By the way me and a lot of other people have paid around $240 for those same techniques so we are not impressed.
Bottom line the technique is bullshit. If you are not a crybaby who can't take it sarcasm can be a great way of illustrating a point which is what Zog was trying to do in an attempt to keep you from wasting your time on this shit.

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

I know it's an open forum, and there's bound to be people who just wanna spit non sense, but I was genuine in seeing if others could see the potential in what took some honest time and effort for this guy to create. Much like how eddie originally bagged on double bagger, after it's rather short time of being "proven" it is now the stable of many 10th planet practitioners.

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A stable is where you keep a horse. I believe the word you were looking for is staple.

thats not me in the video. It's a video I found on you tube. I'm the person who's illustrated in my avatar. La'a is my real name and maybe you have a point on the training vids instead of the forum. My reason for stating my case is simply i wasn't under the impression that an honest question would receive such hostile replies from people that I thought shared common interests.

Ke one Hanau is the hawaiian translation of my last name and I intend to change it shortly.

as far as sarcasm goes, I can take it, I just expected more from a senior student. That's not the conduct that I was raised in through out my upbringing as a martial artist.

ps thanx for the grammar check

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as far as sarcasm goes, I can take it, I just expected more from a senior student. That's not the conduct that I was raised in through out my upbringing as a martial artist.

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Welcome to the forums =D.

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as far as sarcasm goes, I can take it, I just expected more from a senior student. That's not the conduct that I was raised in through out my upbringing as a martial artist.

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Luckily for us being a bad ass brown belt doesn't suck the sense of humor right out of a person and luckily for the guys in NY being funny doesn't inhibit your ability to be a bad ass coach if anything it helps apparent by the success of 10th planet Rochester.

"make babies" best jj analogy ever! and its funny.

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

thats not me in the video. It's a video I found on you tube. I'm the person who's illustrated in my avatar. La'a is my real name and maybe you have a point on the training vids instead of the forum. My reason for stating my case is simply i wasn't under the impression that an honest question would receive such hostile replies from people that I thought shared common interests.

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The only person with a hostile reply was me and that's because I thought you were trolling. I just couldn't believe anybody would take that video serious. Considering it was one of your first post under a fake name I would say it was an honest mistake.

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Luckily for us being a bad ass brown belt doesn't suck the sense of humor right out of a person and luckily for the guys in NY being funny doesn't inhibit your ability to be a bad ass coach if anything it helps apparent by the success of 10th planet Rochester.

"make babies" best jj analogy ever! and its funny.

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Someone better check Herzogs ass for hickie marks after that post.

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upon review I guess your comments were meant to be sarcastic, something you'd expect from a super moderator...

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Hang around more sarcasm to come...

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

i wasnt aware that this was how 10th planet affiliates show appreciation to people who've spent 60 bucks to be here and genuinely discuss matters of jiujitsu.

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I sure wouldn’t know about appreciation, I make sure not to spend countless hours here moderating the forum, answering questions, and shooting several hours of technique footage per month, for free.

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

know it's an open forum, and there's bound to be people who just wanna spit non sense, but I was genuine in seeing if others could see the potential in what took some honest time and effort for this guy to create. Much like how eddie originally bagged on double bagger, after it's rather short time of being "proven" it is now the stable of many 10th planet practitioners.

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I'm saving you the embarrassment of working on a technique that was so highly advanced it had to be taught by someone with 4 months experience, filmed in a living room, on his 9 month pregnant wife, after the oh so generous instructor watched another technique video based on advanced speculation, the week prior. He must have appreciated his viewers so much he spent countless minutes developing this fine series of movements and transitions.
I'm sure Sean spent several moments developing and experimenting with the Double Bagger while rolling with his grandmother on a card board box in his attic, prior to sharing it with Eddie.

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

for someone of your rank and responsibility, I'd just expect more encouragement and less newbie white belt behavior behind a key board.

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Your right I'll should be posting more videos of guys with no practical grappling experience, to show how responsible I am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP9TMujWxcg&feature=player_embedded

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all the best on your journey to a black belt.

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Sarcasm, I think you’re getting it!

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opening doors is what makes a teacher great, not closing them...

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I'm sorry, I thought spending a life time of dedication and energy into a coaching is what makes a good teacher, I'm confused a to what doors have to do with it.

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Originally Posted by La'a Ke One Hanau a La'a

thats not me in the video. It's a video I found on you tube. I'm the person who's illustrated in my avatar. La'a is my real name and maybe you have a point on the training vids instead of the forum. My reason for stating my case is simply i wasn't under the impression that an honest question would receive such hostile replies from people that I thought shared common interests.

Ke one Hanau is the hawaiian translation of my last name and I intend to change it shortly.

as far as sarcasm goes, I can take it, I just expected more from a senior student. That's not the conduct that I was raised in through out my upbringing as a martial artist.

ps thanx for the grammar check

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Don't read it as hostility, brother. This forum deals with a ton of people here to troll, but props to you for not throwing hate everywhere when you felt hated on.

I've submitted craptastic techniques on here for review too, and they got called out for being craptastic. By and large nobody sugarcoats anything. You can't take that personal. If I ask about a 'stupid' technique and a high ranked person like Zog personally calls it stupid, I feel honored that a major player like that took an interest in my training and took a moment to steer me in a better direction. If I feel insulted by the answer, that's on me and I need to control my ego.

Your name is exotic, so I hope you can understand why people thought it was made up. (see also, my big joke of a last name)

You seem pretty well spoken, so I hope to see more of you around on here. Don't feel discouraged.

Anyone test out this series yet? Upper back bite into vulture claw seems brutal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvx2AGHMXg

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Don't read it as hostility, brother. This forum deals with a ton of people here to troll, but props to you for not throwing hate everywhere when you felt hated on.

I've submitted craptastic techniques on here for review too, and they got called out for being craptastic. By and large nobody sugarcoats anything. You can't take that personal. If I ask about a 'stupid' technique and a high ranked person like Zog personally calls it stupid, I feel honored that a major player like that took an interest in my training and took a moment to steer me in a better direction. If I feel insulted by the answer, that's on me and I need to control my ego.

Your name is exotic, so I hope you can understand why people thought it was made up. (see also, my big joke of a last name)

You seem pretty well spoken, so I hope to see more of you around on here. Don't feel discouraged.

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I disagree with your interpretation of my response to your video posted. I have never told anyone here that something they personally demonstrated was stupid. For the the record Dylan this was my response to your technique video, not even close to calling it "stupid":



"I suggest as a white belt and blue belt focus on the basics, all to often people are worried about trying to invent something, which is starting to become a trend here. There is a huge diffrence between having an "open mind" and having a "mind wide open".


Spend your time (YEARS) on tested, proven techniques. Become proficient at them. Then work on the exploratory side of Jiu Jitsu, you'll have a solid foundation and understanding by then so you have a general idea if its going to work or not, so you won't have to ask other white belts there opinion on a technique. "

Honestly man after getting the first arm trapped, that RNC is there for the taking. Watch BJ Penn as soon as he traps that arm youre done for. Theres a very low percentage that youll defend two arms with your one. So the rest is pure flash and in the end pointless. Whats the point in going through that entire path when you have higher percentage subs right there.
Double bagging has a purpose. To keep better control when going through the basic path. Whats the Master Lock series point?
If you can hit this at a high percentage on guys at your level, more power to you. If you see the possibilities and figure out a way to make it work do it and prove us wrong.

My apologies Chris. That's not what I meant to infer. Let me clarify:

I didn't mean to suggest that you called one of my vids 'stupid.' I was trying to speak hypothetically. I only mean to imply that IF I posted a bad idea and someone of your stature shot it down as a bad idea that I should be honored that you cared enough to reply.

My bad.