OK, so what's the plan if Eddie uh, "moves on" to another plane of existence?

I hate to bring up the most morbid of scenarios as we begin a new year but...what happens if Eddie moves on to another plane of existence. You know, kicks the bucket and is no longer among the living of Earth.

Is there a 10th Planet manifesto hidden away somewhere that outlines what happens next?

I picture 2 schools of thought emerging. On the one side we have the old school 10th Planet students who believe the art should be taught as Eddie himself taught it. They would teach only the stuff Eddie himself actually taught. They would be the 10th Planet equivalent of Relson Gracie who says he doesn't teach the Butterfly Guard because Helio Gracie didn't use it.

And then there's the other side. The ones who believe Eddie was open to all sorts of new technqiues, so they would be out there teaching stuff all sorts of new stuff that Eddie had never seen, and yet they'd be calling it 10th Planet. They'd be the equivalent of Renzo Gracie who teaches all the latest techniques and isn't bound to some ancient Gracie syllabus.

The whole situation could devolve into a Shite vs Sunni style conflict with members sending suicide bombers to take out the rival 10th Planet school. And what of Renato...what's to stop him from emerging from underground with a plan to convert 10th Planet to a Gi Only system?

I don't want to bring anyone down, but these are the concerns that keep me awake night after night, unable to sleep and unable to focus on my job or family. I realize that it is like a finger pointing to the moon. If you concentrate on the finger you will miss all that heavenly glory...but I need answers to these questions.

I've thought about this as well Ric. I think it really likens itself to the whole JKD/Bruce Lee fragmentation and connections.

http://jitsmagazine.com/media/upload...47.41_PM_2.png

this is who happens

Ed Parker Kenpo Karate...died with Master Parker

Ric, if you need a job or a hug or something, let me know bud. I got'chu.

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Originally Posted by Ric

You know, kicks the bucket and is no longer among the living of Earth.

Is there a 10th Planet manifesto hidden away somewhere that outlines what happens next?

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It's okay. He'll just tap into the highest Light Side of the Force power of being able to communicate to us in spirit form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkjEB63qSeQ

Excellent point though Ric. There should be tenets in place that allow this thing we're all a part of to continue thriving, growing and developing regardless of the "moving on to another plane of existence" as you call it or "death" as I like to call it.

On Zog's point of the fragmentation of JKD once Bruce Lee died, I just would like to add that I'd bet my left testi that Bruce would totally be a 10th Planet warrior if he was still alive today.

So if Eddie passes on who will take over at the top guy. How about Sean Bollinger?

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I'd vote for sean bollinger as well! the dudes amazing

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Originally Posted by Jesse Bell

Ric, if you need a job or a hug or something, let me know bud. I got'chu.

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Fortunately, I go back to work on Tuesday after being off for 10 days because of the holidays. An idle mind is a dangerous thing for someone like me...

(For anyone who doesn't realize it, my thread was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek).

Is Eddie into cremation? I always imagined a special strain being created which would allow a select few to communicate with him on a higher plane lol.

I don't know why you'd think that Eddie would only want the stuff he taught to be taught after he moved on. Isn't 10th Planet always evolving and open to new techniques? In that video where he awards Bollinger his black belt, he makes note of how he never used to double bag, then he was all about it. I even remember a video of Eddie teaching a seminar and a dude transitioned to a move differently because he wasn't as flexible yet, and Eddie filmed it and said, "Congratulations sir, you've just contributed to the system".

I just don't think Eddie would ever want people to stop the progression of jiu-jitsu, 10th Planet is different and taking from all different styles, why would that change when Eddie was gone?

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Why would that change when Eddie was gone?

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Great question Nick. Like Eddie, Bruce Lee also wanted HIS martial art/philosophy Jeet Kune Do to keep progressing. JDK, like 10th Planet JJ, "is different and taking from all different styles." Unfortunately, when Sifu Bruce died, his school fragmented into Original JKD which says that JKD should not/can not/will not change or deviate from the techniques that Bruce taught up to his death and JKD Concepts/Progressive Fighting Systems which added other martial arts like BJJ into the system. There is a possibility that there will be a group of people within the 10P system that may say the same in that "the system is perfect and/or should not be changed" should Eddie kick the bucket.

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Originally Posted by PJ Sisco

I'd vote for sean bollinger as well! the dudes amazing

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PJ, Did you train with Sean in Springfield, Missouri?
Did you ever get the DVD of one of those
seminars I filmed? There are two actually
three DVDs of Sean and his brother Chad
in Springfield. Ask Brian S. about them.
He has them. If not, I have them.

The frauds would come out everywhere!!! Claiming to be a Eddie Bravo instructor. Eddie's Blackbelts might want to go in different directions. Causing a bunch of BS politics. Some might want to cash in on Eddie's legacy and make claims of "True Eddie Bravo JJ".... this shit has happened in martial arts many times...look at some of the Gracies!

a example:

American Kenpo died with Ed Parker, on December 15, 1990. At his funeral his wife, Leilani Parker, announced that Ed Parker left no successor. Thus the death knells toll not only the passing of a great man, but proclaimed the slow death of the martial arts style he had created. In the twenty years since his death American Kenpo has deteriorated to such a deplorable state that only two Ed Parker students, Kevin Lamkin and Erick Lamkin, now teach American Kenpo as Ed Parker established it.

At his death, belt rank and fees, the cash cow of American Kenpo, was up for grabs. Who had authority to promote, and to what rank became a cottage industry with more than 50 organizations coming into existence to unite Kenpo (for a fee). Low ranked students claimed authority to promote their instructors, and the instructors eagerly claimed that worthless rank with the promise to promote anyone who would unite under them. Mrs. Parker brought in marginal black belts, "secret weapons," who feigned authority for what had for a decade already been questionable rank. What she failed to realize was a branch from a dead tree is still dead.

American Kenpo quickly became a term of exploitation. Honor was given to Ed Parker in name only while diluting his system; and, as the concepts of American Kenpo failed, many of those pretenders began calling what they taught, "Ed Parker Kenpo Karate." Likewise in Europe, American Kenpo was completely abandoned while still claiming direct authority from Ed parker. The standards for belt rank in those systems is so lax, that a 3rd degree black belt would not qualify as a green belt in true Kenpo. Additionally, some of Ed Parker's writings contained inconsistencies, errors and misstatement's which became the creed of the credulous, and a gospel of the gullible, that bread anarchy and promoted dishonesty as the hallmark of the new pseudo American Kenpo.

Speaking of American Kenpo. Here is the grand master of it.

Biography Of Frank Trejo By Terry Wilson
FRANK TREJO. Frank Trejo began fighting at the ripe old age of 8 under the instruction of his ... Master Trejo received his black belt in Kenpo from Grand Master Ed ...
www.usadojo.com/.../frank-trejo-tw.htm - Cached

Anyway, Kenpo dieing off was more of a positive than a negative thing.
Frank Trejo the grand master of Kenpo was an accomplished kickboxer
and boxer. He would train people in Kickboxing and they would all beat
the kenpo guys.

If I died tomorrow I would want 10th Planet to continue to be everything that it is today plus I would also want any new legit nogi techniques to be added to the system :)

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

If I died tomorrow I would want 10th Planet to continue to be everything that it is today plus I would also want any new legit nogi techniques to be added to the system :)

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oh how the time is ticking my friend....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhOGV3Qo9sU

Eddie came back to us from the future in spirit form actually, hate to let the cat out the bag. Einstein created a golem that he puppets using Jewish sorcery. Renato Laranja is the name of an ancient Titan lost to the abyss many milennia ago spelled backwards. Everything is as it was and ever will be. I'd write more, but gotta take a shit. ;)

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Originally Posted by 10th Planet Riverside, Ca

PJ, Did you train with Sean in Springfield, Missouri?
Did you ever get the DVD of one of those
seminars I filmed? There are two actually
three DVDs of Sean and his brother Chad
in Springfield. Ask Brian S. about them.
He has them. If not, I have them.

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I need to ask Brian about those DVD's!

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

It's okay. He'll just tap into the highest Light Side of the Force power of being able to communicate to us in spirit form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkjEB63qSeQ

Excellent point though Ric. There should be tenets in place that allow this thing we're all a part of to continue thriving, growing and developing regardless of the "moving on to another plane of existence" as you call it or "death" as I like to call it.

On Zog's point of the fragmentation of JKD once Bruce Lee died, I just would like to add that I'd bet my left testi that Bruce would totally be a 10th Planet warrior if he was still alive today.

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Seeing the Star Wars Theme here reminds me of 10th Planet West LA's sign with the death star. Which brings up the idea of Scotty being the 10th Planet Sith Lord.... as that there are only ever 2 sith lords ... who is Scotts Padawan? and who is to say that if Eddie were to pass that indeed Scott could be the one to lead us all to the Dark side .....

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Originally Posted by Ric

I hate to bring up the most morbid of scenarios as we begin a new year but...what happens if Eddie moves on to another plane of existence. You know, kicks the bucket and is no longer among the living of Earth.

Is there a 10th Planet manifesto hidden away somewhere that outlines what happens next?

I picture 2 schools of thought emerging. On the one side we have the old school 10th Planet students who believe the art should be taught as Eddie himself taught it. They would teach only the stuff Eddie himself actually taught. They would be the 10th Planet equivalent of Relson Gracie who says he doesn't teach the Butterfly Guard because Helio Gracie didn't use it.

And then there's the other side. The ones who believe Eddie was open to all sorts of new technqiues, so they would be out there teaching stuff all sorts of new stuff that Eddie had never seen, and yet they'd be calling it 10th Planet. They'd be the equivalent of Renzo Gracie who teaches all the latest techniques and isn't bound to some ancient Gracie syllabus.

The whole situation could devolve into a Shite vs Sunni style conflict with members sending suicide bombers to take out the rival 10th Planet school. And what of Renato...what's to stop him from emerging from underground with a plan to convert 10th Planet to a Gi Only system?

I don't want to bring anyone down, but these are the concerns that keep me awake night after night, unable to sleep and unable to focus on my job or family. I realize that it is like a finger pointing to the moon. If you concentrate on the finger you will miss all that heavenly glory...but I need answers to these questions.

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Hi Ric. I've been to Eddie's classes and they are as progressive as you can get when it comes to jiu jitsu. HQ is the head of the think tank that 10p has become. All the schools have their own styles and strengths.

The challenge becomes, how does HQ disseminate what's important to 10p instructors around the world. In part, you have this forum, but I'm sure Eddie has a "lil black book" of all the movers and shakers in the system, that he communicates the Good Word to.

I'm sure if the head of the system were to disappear, the soldiers will continue to communicate with eachother and keep 10p instruction as progressive as possible. It's difficult to stop the force of an object, once it's set in motion.

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Originally Posted by Compella

Eddie came back to us from the future in spirit form actually, hate to let the cat out the bag. Einstein created a golem that he puppets using Jewish sorcery. Renato Laranja is the name of an ancient Titan lost to the abyss many milennia ago spelled backwards. Everything is as it was and ever will be. I'd write more, but gotta take a shit. ;)

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Ajnaral Otaner... The only true Titan left to walk the underworld in uniform.