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ARRRRRRRGH! I can't take it anymore. First people go on about Jon Jones' supposedly flawless victory against Rampage, and now Jose Aldo is considered un-takedownable because Chad Mendes, a decorated amateur wrestler, could not seal the deal. What are we? The United States Government? What's with all the lies and deceit?
Everything's gonna be ok man. Let it out.
^^^^what he said.
NO...no we arent this is bullshit he had that takedown...leave it to a brazillian to cheat. That changed the whole fight. This is bullshit. I want it changed to a NC. I want an Aldo Mendez 2 with an electric fence!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
^^^^^^yeah, with an electric fence; that would be too cool.
I dont see how it changed the fight dude. I've wrestled my whole life and saw that it had many chances to hit the same takedown up until he got knocked out. Mendes kept trying to take him forward, he should have atleast tried to throw him over his (suplex style). But he just kept trying to finish it the same way.
Everyone saw Aldo grab the fence. Yes it's illegal. He was warned. Do you know why Mendes isn't complaining? Because he's a pro. And he knows that fence grabs happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stager
But again, using all available info that we have on MMA, we can't predict the future, but we can arrive at an educated conclusion.
How many guys has Chad Mendes finished from that position with 1:30 left? 0. We can use this to conclude that Mendes would've just gotten top control and made it to round 2 if he landed it and controlled Aldo. IF he could keep him down.
How do guys usually land when they get dumped like that? Watch hours of footage on UFC fights and you'll see most guys land on all fours....just like Aldo when Mendes made his 2nd attempt. And Aldo popped right back up. So we see that the thwarted TD attempt may not have even been successful to begin with. Had he landed it, how do we know he would've kept Aldo down?
Why would we assume that this takedown would've had a dramatic impact on the overall fight? IMO, had he landed the TD, Aldo would've just gotten back up. At best, Chad would've held him down and made it to round two....where he would've gotten leg kicked to death while getting another 5 TD attempts stuffed.
Yes the fence grab happened. But it didn't change the outcome of the fight as much as you think. Remember, a fence grab didn't execute a perfectly timed knee. A fence grab didn't win the fight. It just avoided one takedown that likely wouldn't have amounted to much anyway.
Let me be clear: I'm under no illusions that Mendes would have won the fight, just like I don't dispute that Jones beat Rampage. I'm just pointing out how people, especially those MMA "reporters" (I swear they're bigger shills than the actual press), don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. So, now they're spinning the Aldo/Mendes fight as though Mendes couldn't take him down, which is only true if you whitewash the whole fence-grabbing thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Oh, and Jon Jones sucks.
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Originally Posted by David Stager
Gotcha. So I typed all that for nothing. LOL.
I agree. Unfortunately these days reporting is less about facts and more about sensation. Making it seem like Aldo was "untakedownable" isn't exactly right, but it makes for a cooler story. I get your point. I just been arguing on sherdog with guys who swear that Mendes would've somehow won the fight off one takedown.
Oh, and Jon Jones sucks enough to beat 2 legends and 1 top 5 former champ. ;)
Haha, I was losing sleep (literally. I think I have a problem) over something a sherdogger said last night. Mark my words, Aldo will eventually secure his place as the Cheick Kongo of the 145lb. division. He just needs to add some ball-shots into his arsenal.
That made me cringe. SMH. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stager
U know whats funny are there are some bendable rules in mma. I honestly think the less rules the better. I mean knowing you can get a good ball shot, back of the head hitting (with the exception of the other night), and fence grabbing in with only a warning, I'm not surprised fighters do it in a time of need all the time. I forget who was fighting (it might have been Urijah Faber) but they were up against the fence about to get choked out and did a quick double grab to get leverage and get out of the situation. Herb Dean didn't say shit. It's almost like a use in case of emergency.
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a good way around it. The best we can hope for is that they only get away with one.
He would have had A...A...ONE takedown, if he had not grabbed the fence. Aldo being Aldo, I doubt he would have been finished even IF Chad would have gotten the takedown. Also, who's to say that Aldo wouldn't have pulled a "Cain Velasquez" and immediately gotten back to his feet? If they would have made it out of the first round, guess where the fight starts in round 2? On the feet! I'm not a huge fan of either, but a fan nonetheless. I think eventually somehow, Aldo would have beaten him. If he grabbed the fence many times throughout the fight, I could see how that's really fucked up. Yes, I agree it's cheating when he grabbed the fence, but he did it once, I believe, and I don't think Mendes would have finished him from THAT takedown. Just my opinion, not talking shit or arguing.
Last I checked he was winning fights against some purdy tough opponents. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stager
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Originally Posted by David Rosado
I also agree. Guess I should have read this before making my own post. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by CaseyD
I am totally against grabbing the fence and it pisses me off. The argument ( although true) that it would have not matter is also not a good excuse. Aldo was head and shoulders above Mendes. I wish referee stopped the fight, took a point from Aldo, maybe put him on his back with Mendes mounted, so Aldo could get back up and KTFO Mendes anyway. All this Mendes and his exceptional wrestling ability was a publicity stunt to sell the fight and show him as a worthy opponent. Yeah he is a good decorated wrestler but I did not see Mendes doing anything remotely near to what Fitch, Kosh and StPierre do to their opponents with their wrestling. Mendes shot low singles Aldo jumped out of the way. Josh Koschek or Matt Hughes ( even today) shoots on someone within their weight class and that person is flying thru the cage with their legs above their head, heading towards the fence/mat.