Heavy weight jiu jitsu

I way 243 and im 6"1 ive been grappling for five years and one thing has always bugged me, and Thats the lack of attention payed to The heavy weight aces of jiu jitsu. Obviously there are many Heavy weight jiu jitsu fighters in MMA as well as Jiu jitsu competition, but there is less coverage of heavy weight jiu jitsu compared to the lighter weights. Of course you have fighters like Roger Gracie, Jeff Monson and others but there is not enough coverage in my opinion at least.(by heavy weight i mean all divisions that are considered heavy weight). so what are you guys opinion on big guy bjj?

I think if a big guy is active, people will pay attention to him, but it's no accident that there are more stars in the lighter weight classes. Hulking dudes tend to be slower, tire more easily, and are more likely than their lightweight counterparts to shove each other for 5 minutes and win by two points rather than showcase their skills on the mat. I think that lately, Jeff Monson falls under this category of grappler. But I will happily tune in to Cyborg Abreu.

Simply put, the lighter the guys are, the more technical they usually are. If you want to see how the future of the HW's are going to look, you need only look at the present day LW's.

As a bigger guy too- i'm 6'2 and 215 and DAMN i wish i could keep the level of action that the little guys do. It's not a NORMAL thing for us big guys to be as active...thats all. im not saying we CANT, its just not as easy.

or maybe im just a lazy fuck...this is probably the real answer.

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Originally Posted by Ken Madden

As a bigger guy too- i'm 6'2 and 215 and DAMN i wish i could keep the level of action that the little guys do. It's not a NORMAL thing for us big guys to be as active...thats all. im not saying we CANT, its just not as easy.

or maybe im just a lazy fuck...this is probably the real answer.

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I think it's not that HW's can't do it but that it's not as much of a necessity as it is for the little guys.

As Li Mu Bai said in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon: "Real power comes without effort" which I interpret as "you don't need strength if you have technique".

Lightweights are forced to develop better technique because they do not have the strength or weight to power out of situations. The only way a heavyweight would be like a lightweight technique wise would be for them to regularly roll with the incredible hulk.

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Originally Posted by James Steele

As Li Mu Bai said in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon: "Real power comes without effort" which I interpret as "you don't need strength if you have technique".

Lightweights are forced to develop better technique because they do not have the strength or weight to power out of situations. The only way a heavyweight would be like a lightweight technique wise would be for them to regularly roll with the incredible hulk.

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Only if people roll with people that are of different weight classes, which I doubt is happening all that much at the top. I think it has more to do with it the physiology of heavy weights making speed and flexibility less easy to come by.

idk maybe because i'm heavy weight i pay more attention but werdum vinny popavitch all bigger dudes and awesome athletes. many others but alot jitz hws are also known for mma so theres that.

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Originally Posted by Mikeox34

I way 243 and im 6"1 ive been grappling for five years and one thing has always bugged me, and Thats the lack of attention payed to The heavy weight aces of jiu jitsu. Obviously there are many Heavy weight jiu jitsu fighters in MMA as well as Jiu jitsu competition, but there is less coverage of heavy weight jiu jitsu compared to the lighter weights. Of course you have fighters like Roger Gracie, Jeff Monson and others but there is not enough coverage in my opinion at least.(by heavy weight i mean all divisions that are considered heavy weight). so what are you guys opinion on big guy bjj?

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I didn't know that. I pay attention, but that's cuz I'm a big dude and I'm watching for styles to emulate. I'm a big fan of Cyborg. Big fan of Vinny Mag. Braulio Estima.

But it's probably because the lighter guys are flashier. People are saying more technical. IDK about that. Werdum is pretty damn technical. And as boring as he is, so is Monson. But lighter guys are flashier and more dynamic. You have flying armbars and flying darce chokes and all sorts of cool looking things. The heavies don't really do stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by David Stager

I think if a big guy is active, people will pay attention to him, but it's no accident that there are more stars in the lighter weight classes. Hulking dudes tend to be slower, tire more easily, and are more likely than their lightweight counterparts to shove each other for 5 minutes and win by two points rather than showcase their skills on the mat. I think that lately, Jeff Monson falls under this category of grappler. But I will happily tune in to Cyborg Abreu.

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Agree.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

I didn't know that. I pay attention, but that's cuz I'm a big dude and I'm watching for styles to emulate. I'm a big fan of Cyborg. Big fan of Vinny Mag. Braulio Estima.

But it's probably because the lighter guys are flashier. People are saying more technical. IDK about that. Werdum is pretty damn technical. And as boring as he is, so is Monson. But lighter guys are flashier and more dynamic. You have flying armbars and flying darce chokes and all sorts of cool looking things. The heavies don't really do stuff like that.




Agree.

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david you have a valid point im the problem when it comes to this, because all I do is look up lighter weight guys and try there techniques out. So from now own this guys gonna watch the heavy weights

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Originally Posted by Mikeox34

david you have a valid point im the problem when it comes to this, because all I do is look up lighter weight guys and try there techniques out. So from now own this guys gonna watch the heavy weights

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I look to the lighter weights too. They're just more fun. But I think it's great for heavies to move like LW's. I mean, honestly, my favorite heavies are guys who move like LW's. Like I named, Vinny Mag, Cyborg, Braulio Estima, Dean Lister. I love watching these guys. But like I said, I think the reason guys look out for lighter guys is because they're more dynamic. It's more entertaining. Or, maybe they just relate to them better since it seems the average guy isn't a HW.

In the end, pick the style that suits you.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

I look to the lighter weights too. They're just more fun. But I think it's great for heavies to move like LW's. I mean, honestly, my favorite heavies are guys who move like LW's. Like I named, Vinny Mag, Cyborg, Braulio Estima, Dean Lister. I love watching these guys. But like I said, I think the reason guys look out for lighter guys is because they're more dynamic. It's more entertaining. Or, maybe they just relate to them better since it seems the average guy isn't a HW.

In the end, pick the style that suits you.

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Oh yeah, forgot about Lister. He's great to watch.

Cyborg Abreu , Pablo Popovitch and Vinny Magahles ...thats all the heavyweight you need to know

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Originally Posted by WilliamGunter

idk maybe because i'm heavy weight i pay more attention but werdum vinny popavitch all bigger dudes and awesome athletes. many others but alot jitz hws are also known for mma so theres that.

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The fact that HW's can still rely on pure BJJ to win proves the point that HW's aren't as technical. At the lighter weights, you almost assume they have black belt level grappling in MMA. A lot of times instructors give bigger guys belts faster because they can hold their own against smaller higher belts from being big.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

I didn't know that. I pay attention, but that's cuz I'm a big dude and I'm watching for styles to emulate. I'm a big fan of Cyborg. Big fan of Vinny Mag. Braulio Estima.

But it's probably because the lighter guys are flashier. People are saying more technical. IDK about that. Werdum is pretty damn technical. And as boring as he is, so is Monson. But lighter guys are flashier and more dynamic. You have flying armbars and flying darce chokes and all sorts of cool looking things. The heavies don't really do stuff like that.




Agree.

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Lighter guys are more dynamic out of necessity. The basics don't work at the lighter weights at the highest level. They all get dominated by dynamic fighters like Cobrihna, Mendes Bros, Ryan Hall, Jeff Glover, Caio Terra, Robson Moura, Tanquinho etc...

Don't get me wrong, the top HW grapplers are still amazing BJJ artists. I just think the lighter guys are more technical.

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Originally Posted by Justin W.

The fact that HW's can still rely on pure BJJ to win proves the point that HW's aren't as technical. At the lighter weights, you almost assume they have black belt level grappling in MMA. A lot of times instructors give bigger guys belts faster because they can hold their own against smaller higher belts from being big.

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Troll much.

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Originally Posted by Justin W.

The fact that HW's can still rely on pure BJJ to win proves the point that HW's aren't as technical. At the lighter weights, you almost assume they have black belt level grappling in MMA. A lot of times instructors give bigger guys belts faster because they can hold their own against smaller higher belts from being big.

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I can't say I agree with you bro. There are a lot of guys who rely on JJ and that are not HW's. Maia. Palhares. Back when Paulo Filho was champ he was pure BJJ. Hazlett. Joe Lauzon. I think you're confusing dynamic movement with technique.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Vale

Troll much.

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I think he believes this.

I doubt it. He is too much of a coward to post his last name and making baseless claims ranging from "big guys getting ranked easy" to "pure bjj means you aren't technical". Don't feed the troll fellas.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Vale

I doubt it. He is too much of a coward to post his last name and making baseless claims ranging from "big guys getting ranked easy" to "pure bjj means you aren't technical". Don't feed the troll fellas.

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Ha point taken.