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Awesome Video :D
Nice!
I have been saying this for a long time and my friends have always looked at me with skepticism. Now some of them are also changing their minds. It is also great to see known athletes or even media personalities to come forward like this. I think slowly, we as second class humans (not insanely rich and/or have insane political power) are gaining consciousness.
From the guy who has taken money from corporate sponsors. Appeared in ads for the worlds largest supplement manufacturer (iovate a huge corporation). Tattooed himself with the logo of a corporate sponsor (kimurawear) and also fought for the UFC (another huge corporation).I'll accept what he says as his true opinion when he practices what he preaches even though I don't agree with it.
He also has a sickle and hammer tattoo in addition to an anarchy tattoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Vale
Try not to focus too much on his, or any persons, tattoos.
Most people with that many tatts are gonna have work from times gone that, not only they regret but dont nearly represent who they are today.
Ive had one covered up completely and I only got a fraction of my body covered that Jeff Has!
More to the topic, its always worth paying attention to the snowman.
Put to the right questions it would be cool to find out what he is really going on about, cus what he says strikes a real chord with me. Problem is we only really hear him sounding off and so whatever depth he has to say about his beliefs is unable to come through. It does become hard to tell how much thought he has put into it beyond the sort of stuff we see in these videos.
Would be cool to find out..
Think if he was to do something 30mins or so it would still get watched on all the boards. I'd watch it, definitely.
Edit: Ive actually found this http://youtu.be/jlg6xfew83o gonna give it a watch. Hope its worth cutting into my scheduled MTS watching time!!
the problem is not the elite, the rich or the corporations...
the problem is corruption...
the lawmakers could tell the elite, the rich and the corporations "no", if they were not corrupt...
stop blaming the companies small and large who provide the jobs and all the things we use and enjoy on a daily basis, and get to the root of the problem "corrupt politicians"...
as far as i am concerned "every" person currently in congress and the other branches of government are part of the problem and "everyone" of them needs to be removed...
the solution is at our finger tips, do not vote for incumbents and eventually everyone will be replaced. then we must continue to not vote for incumbents so the new blood do not get to intrenched and corrupted. eventually there will be no big benefit to being a politician, so the crooks will stop seeking those positions...
I met Jeff yesterday. It was interesting to say the least....
this. things need to be changed at the legislative level, ie government has way too much power. make the government smaller and then they cant give favors to corporations. kind of like occupy wallstreet, they should have occupied the white house not wall street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Almeida
I think its all the above...corrupt politicians, corrupt corporations, corrupt LEO's, and the list can go on and always will unless we get more people like Ron Paul, Jeff, or whoever has the means to get their voice heard and the truth out.
Valid points for sure. Definitely, if not, severely overdue time for a change most definitely.
You can always vote people out of the White House. It doesn't work the same with Wall Street. People have no say in what a few people do with everyone's money. They can't vote to get it back. It's a common move of the media to keep people mad at the government which people can control with their votes, but it rarely attacks people in power who can't be voted out like Wall Street fat cats or Corporate CEO's or the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers who may be even more powerful than the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBK
these people cant do anything without corrupt politicians...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
all the laws that they use to manipulate everything in their favor, are created by our law makers (the corrupt politicians)...
if our law makers were not corrupt, the fat cats money would do nothing...
i have personally dealt with a corrupt local government in dallas tx. we used to own a apt complex in dallas that the city wanted to demo, so they sued us, we fought them for 3 years before we finally threw in the towel and let them take it. (during the fight i was approached by a city counsel person who said they could take care of my problem for 10k) i refused to pay, so they kept the lawsuit going until we could not fight anymore. (it is a much longer story with plenty of corrupt people, this is the short version). it has since been bulldozed.
moral of the story, if i was a corrupt business person (small or big) i could have paid off the corrupt politicians to get what i wanted.
the problem is not the big name of someone or how much money they have...
the problem is corruption...
Voting someone out isn't the problem. You need to change laws. Wall street gets their power from government. Look at the housing bubble, who caused it? government backed loans to banks which were then exacerbated by wallstreet and given out ARM's to people knowing full well they couldn't afford them. Govt --> Banks --> wallstreet --> peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
If we assume all corporations are greedy, they are purely motivated by profits basically what they did was drink the alcohol government poored. people have all the say in what corporations do with their money. if people decide to stop shopping at sears over the holidays, they close 100 stores. of course corporatism is a problem but it would be way less of a problem if the government didn't have so much power. For example getting rid of lobbying or two year presidential campaigns would be a good step.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLBzfFGFQU
I do understand "governments make the rules" but who's pockets do you think they are in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqN3amj6AcE
Governments don't rule the world. Goldman Sachs rules the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
See Corporatocracy at about 38 min mark.
Well government doesn't rule the world and neither do corporations. He is right about profiting from stupid decisions though . Thats exactly what my point was earlier. Corporations are businesses nothing more, that are as powerful as their shareholders. Goldman Sachs received a 10 billion dollar bailout from the TARP funds. So basically government socialized losses, instead of letting them fail (which is what should have happened). They also got hammered by the bubble, so almost overnight they lost a tun of their influence and power, just like Merill Lynch. Same can be said about GM, Chrysler and a bunch of other companies. Now of course you can argue that they got TARP funds because they have influence in the government but if the government didnt have the power to bailout failing companies to begin with (which would be possible with a smaller government) then that eliminates the problem altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
As for the second video, i have heard that argument a million times and that always comes up in poli sci debates. Of course theres corruption and problems and its not perfect, but the problem is what is better than capitalism? those guys want equality and more government.
I totally get what your saying btw, seriously i was taught the same stuff in my economics classes. I mean the guy that wrote my economics book was ben bernanke the head of the friking FED lol. Keynesianism and what we have right now is supported because its easy, you can print more money and keep everything alot so politicians can get re-elected.
heres some good links. theres a really good book too if your interested i can email it you. the first chapter is really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGL-Ex1CD1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi-D24oCa10
Sure you can send me an email. My address is jonathan.watkins6644@yahoo.com
Corruption is a side show. A real problem, yes, but insignificant next to the absurd amount of inequality that's built into our economic system (i.e. Capitalism). When a corrupt politician or wall street trader gets busted, he is playing the fall-guy for countless other leeches. Sure, Bernie Madoff deserved to go jail, but so did a lot of bankers. It wasn't that Bernie Madoff's corruption was more severe than theirs (if anything he was small-potatoes), but their brand of corruption is so insidious, so monumental in scope, so fundamentally part of the system, that we don't even recognize it as corruption. It's just business.