Do you put yourself in bad spots on purpose to learn?
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Do you put yourself in bad spots on purpose to learn?
absolutely.
Yes.
Yup... If its a really good wrestler I'll give them HG or SC (my worst position), to force myself to get better at them.
Yes
yeah, even though some guys take it personally and then I have to explain what I'm doing...lol
Then immediately regret it when they tap you?
absolutely
Isn't that the point of free rolling?
Yup. Quickest way to learn.
Not as often as I should.
All the time. Especially after I've been out of action for more than a week. Working from bad spots is usually a lot more exhausting and I always need the conditioning work. The more tired you are, the more you have to use good technique. I try to wear myself out in the first couple of rounds (which doesn't take much...) by giving up the pass to side control, pulling half guard, or giving up the mount. Then I try to get from there to wherever my goal is for the week. Sometimes that works out well for me, sometimes not so much.
In a similar vein...
I often go to beginner class in the evening because right now that's how my schedule works out. That means most of the folks I end up rolling with are pretty new. Some of them a very athletic, strong, and fast, but nevertheless very new to jitz. So my question is: When you guys are going with guys who are brand new (and not spazzing) how much do you give them? For me, I know there were lots of times Scott would let me go a long way down the Basic Path or get him in a bad spot or something before defending and countering -- and then he'd show me where I went wrong.
I never just attack the hell out of a new guy unless he's being a little dickish (which I've only come across once at St Paul). But there are times when I'll give up a lot to let someone get some work in.
I guess what I'm asking is: how much do you just let them have, and how much do you make them work for it? I know my defense can shut them down and chances are pretty good I can just impose my will from the start on offense. I don't want to be a fish because that isn't helping them at all; I'm not just going to hand over my arm to poor technique. But at the same time, it doesn't help them if I just stuff everything they throw at me. It is also somewhat counterproductive to just tap the hell out of them with no mercy. So I'm looking for how to find balance. I'd love to hear what you purple and brown belts are thinking especially! :)
Yup I start in bad spots every other roll
I give up side control, mount and New York/chill dog, most frequently to newer (but safe) people. I don’t give up the back or the truck as much. And you will notice an inadequacy in my defense and escapes from these positions, so now I AM giving them up... and getting tapped some. I think there is a misconception that you will only get better from a roll you were trying really hard in. I always try to flow out as well….
All the time.
Yes
Yes.
Hi Jayson, you can give up all you want.. You'll be better off for it down the road. Let them sink in 70% of an rnc, or 50% of an arm bar... then see how fast you tap or how well you escape. You'll be exposed really quick, but the flipside is you'll know exactly what works and what needs work, really quick.
Then there are times that you'll want good solid will-imposing rolls, so let loose, and have fun and keep learning. It's endless.
for sure!! All the time with my real training partners who get it. I also do it with newbies. New people think they are great and tap the "teacher". Then they never show up again because they have nothing to learn from coming to class. This weeds out the truely weak!
Most of my rolls are me slowly letting myself into deep water with our blue belts just to see how deep that water is. With purple and higher its all about maintaining good position!
I find my opponents strength and I allow him to work that while I work the defense.
Plus it's good to get used to dictating where the fight takes place.
Yeah for sure. I do it all of the time especially with people who aren't as experienced as I am or with youngsters. It can only improve your game while at the same time improving the game (and perhaps the confidence) of the person who you're rolling with.
But what do you guys do if the guy is brand-spanking new?
I try asking them what stuff they've been working on, and do situational sparring based on the answer.
One of my favorite drills/sparring sessions involves 10 minutes of mount and back escapes. We always do this after 50 minutes of rolling. The last 10 minutes are spent working from bad situations. You are more prone to make mistakes when you are tired. He starts on my back and we go 100% if he finishes me or I escape I take his back and we repeat. Then at the 5 minute mark we switch to mount escapes. No rest. It has helped tremendously. Enjoy :-)
Yes, Because everyone I roll with is better then me so I don't have much of a choice haha.And we do monkey in the middle,starting off in a bad position and if u tap,get to a neutral/andvanced position a fresh guy comes in and u start all over again.
There are so many guys at my school who are better than me that I don't have to start in a shitty position. I can get there all on my own, LOL.
All the time.
Brent, that s a great idea! Thank you for sharing
Very Often