My classmates are getting real smart to my electric chairs and old schools. As soon as I go for the leg they sprawl that leg back. Is going to perfect doubles best play from here? I have tried to spin to deep half, but my deep half sucks.
Thoughts?
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My classmates are getting real smart to my electric chairs and old schools. As soon as I go for the leg they sprawl that leg back. Is going to perfect doubles best play from here? I have tried to spin to deep half, but my deep half sucks.
Thoughts?
Mabye give the 5-0 sweep a try? And mabye use them sprawling the leg back to regain your guard.
I hit my electric chairs from sprawled back legs. Think plan B as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Thanks for the tips, I put in some work on both Plan b and the 5-0 last night. Most of the guys I have trouble with are former wrestlers. The sprawl is soo good and hips so low and strong I cannot even reach the leg for plan B. If they get a bit sloppy I can get plan b. The 5-0, I've been working for a few months, and last night was similiar results. I can make the trasition to the retard side perfect doubles, but I cannot get the darn far arm pinned!! Any tips!
I can go to guard, but with the deep perfect doubles I end up just putting his legs in my guard and it tough going to get up to his waist let alone a good high guard. Any tips a greatly appreciated.
Practice your dip set and your whip up for 15 minutes before and after every class.
Also, you should be doing everything you can to start your half guard game already on your side with double under hooks.
Re watched MTS 6 about the dipset. Huge place to for improvement. Thanks a ton.
I saw Eddie on MTS explain that when nearly in position for the electric chair, (leg not on shoulder, but in the crook of the arm),you can throw your own leg over for a footlock entry. You can also stiff arm his armpit, and start to stand up. (Should look like one of those x guard sweeps, where you stand up)
I haven't gotten around to trying it out myself, and I might be explaining it wrong. Also; can't remember which MTS.
The last new thing I hit from the lockdown was the Mechanic, and that was awsum! :D (saved my ass, I was about to tap to a Darce, then I thought.. wait a minute..!)
Takes time learning this lockdown game, there's always new stuff, not to mention all the work it takes to get good at the basics! :) But damn it works well!
Yup, half guard has been my goto position since around 2004 when I saw a vid of Eddie explaining it. As the people that I roll against get wise to my stuff I need to constantly patch up any holes in my HG game that they find. The mechanic is great, It requires getting that foot!! I often bait them with an open darce to get them to bring that leg up close to me. Then it is good to go. They won't hardly take the bait anymore and just keep that leg back and hips low. I think some serious Dip set reps is going to pay off well in the long run.
dogfight is my go to if old school and electric chair arnt there. opens up a whole new game
Side note: Snoogens44, do you do anything else from the dogfight besides limp arm to back control or grabbing far knee and driving through? The later needs a name bad, I don't think I have heard a name for that yet. I could use a few more options from dogfight.
Powder keg, every single time.(;Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Thanks all,
Next practice, Dip Sets and Powder kegs.
all depends on the opponent... if hes driving me down with a harsh whizzer than plan b. if he has great base and slightly stands while i try the knee grab, i switch to a single leg take down. if his whizzer sucks..limp arm to the back.
Most of the time though i play between the knee grab and plan b since the defense for each opens up the other. Havnt used the powder keg as of yet because i like side control, but id definitely consider it if all else fails.
there are tons of wrestling options when you can get to dog fight. Eddie calls grabbing the knee the "half and half." powder keg is fun when they let it happen but guys get wise to it. guys also anticipate the limp arm to back. Lately I've been getting my wrestling on from dog fight.
dont forget about grabbing an overhook and exploring new jersey. its become a huge part of my game
Prison Guard from half is my go to
almost all the guys I roll with are 175 pounds and up, and since im 145 I rarely can whip up enough to get on the elbow and up to dog fight. Although if you do, the powder keg usually suprises them at first till they catch on. When I have HG my go to is pimp arm to the hip and scoop the hips out then old school or check the leg to FG if he bases out.
I have tried the powder keg a few times and covered it once in class, but it has always been stuffed in rolling. After Dylans comment I figured I give it a few hundred more reps!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Philips
And well, my wrestling really, really sucks and I am going against several high school and college wrestling all stars. Yes, i know good practice, but I mostly get drilled onto my back and end up getting HG again!! About all I'm getting good at is getting back up to dog fight.
A detail coach used to give us with the Powder Keg was to be sure and hike that leg up his back. If you have his right leg in the lockdown, you whip up, get to dogfight, and you should be on his right. Loop your left arm above his far trap and drive into him. This is to get him to posture up a bit and create some space for you. Hook your left leg over his back -- from the side, you should look like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant. Post on your right hand. Your positioning should be such that you could just hang out and swing freely with your weight distributed between your left leg and your right hand. This is what allows you to swing your right leg all the way through into position to finish the triangle. Hiking that left leg over the back makes all the difference in the world. It gives you a lot more control so you can actually pull it off faster and with better technique. Gives him less time to react and defend. I've even gotten so much momentum that way that I rolled it into a mounted triangle without meaning to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
From dogfight you can also half-limp arm out to a deep hook, feed your right through and swim move to spiderweb.
I just go back to guard when they sprawl that far leg back. Then I have full guard with underhooks and if they don't get their wizzer in then I can take their back.
I electric chair them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
Submit them from half guard
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the scenario? I thought the OP said that they sprawl their leg back, not out and to the side. Sometimes if you're too slow to hit the old school they'll throw the leg backwards to keep you from grapping it but in that moment their legs become too close together making it easier to regain guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
I think guard is def an option but i rather go for a finish or sweep. Maybe i misunderstand but once i get double unders and get on my side in lockdown im sweeping or submitting. In my personal game i dont want to go back to guard cuz i already got the sweep. If u are a hubber guard wizard then knock yourself out but i wanna sweep that ass clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
WOW, Great feedback.
Jason- I'll be working that powder keg Monday as you describe. The deep hook-swim-spider idea is something I never considered before. I love spiderweb, If I can link up my HG game with my spiderweb, oh boy!!! And were were you 3 years ago when I was living in St. Paul and wishing for a 10th planet. I still own a house there and have to go back from time to time. I'll definatly be in!!
AJ- Your correct, that leg is too far back, hips to low and heavy to electric chair, otherwise I would just do that, It's my bread and butter. I do go to the guard often if my double are a little higher up his chest, then my legs go around his waist. But, if I have perfect doubles low just above his hip bones, I can only get his thighs into my guard, and it is a lot of work to inch my way back up to were I can begin my guard attacks.
Cody- Your kinda right in the fact that I to am really looking for the sweep/back. And don't really want to go guard from HG perfect doubles.
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