What do you think of a guy who never trained fighting in MMA this Sun. Feb. 26th?

Last night was getting ready to teach a leglock class when in walked two guys I had never seen before. They said they were looking for Paul C. and The Empire Training Center. Told them no this is 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu Riverside home of 10th Planet black belt Sean Bollinger and brown belt Jeremy Jiu-Jitsu Fields. They just stared at me as if to say they had no idea what I was talking about. Then I started to explain to them about the Eddie Bravo story, with Royler Gracie etc. etc. They had no idea what I was talking about on that one either. So just told them it was a long story that I could tell them later. Told them they had the wrong place and that it wasn't The Empire Training Center and there was no Paul C. They were friendly and we got to talking. (Besides it was getting late and they didn't seem like they wanted to leave to The Empire Training Center.) Found out they are both fighting in King of the Cage an MMA event here in California this Sunday Feb. 26th. Nothing surprising about that except the one guy who is going to fight Sunday has never trained one day in his life. He has never wrestled, boxed or anything. Asked him if he knew how to sprawl and he said no. Said he was a street fighter. The other guy has been training grappling/MMA and wrestled in high school. Any way everybody in the gym started helping both these guys. The one guy was ok but the other guy did not have a clue on any aspect of grappling or striking. I invited him to my leglock class and we concentrated on leglock counters since they are allowing leglocks in his fight. Then everybody start helping them out with techniques and rolling. One of our MMA fighters by the name of Kumba who has fought a few time in Tuff-N-Uff was really helping the one poor guy out who has never trained before.

At 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu we don't let anybody fight to after they have been training for awhile. Sparring boxing, grappling/MMA etc. etc. At least 3 months and that's for people that have already some kind of experience. No matter how long they have been training they would not be put in there until they are ready.

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Promoter/Match maker prolly has an up-and-comer they need wanna stack some W's on, so they throw this poor soul to the dogs. Defend yourself at ALL TIMES, even when your not in the cage!

Bad news and bad for the sport. I commend you for being helpfull. You might have just saved the dudes life!!

i hope you convinced them to not do it. that one fat guy who only lifted weights who made the "jiu jitsu sucks" videos from his basement decided to hop into an mma fight with no experience. ko'd in 11 seconds. it'll be a rude awakening when you say you've fought some bums in the street and somehow think that'll translate well against someone who's been training in all aspects of tearing you apart in a cage

Oh man this could end bad. Then again it could bring him to jiu jitsu like it did for me

Not the first time King of the cage does that..I know of one instance were they let a guy fight that had no previous MMA fights. in the one event were it was raining, and the fighters were slipping all the time, there was a guy with a fake record.
He should learn howto tap, lol! Most important first technique! It seems hopelessly unprofessional.. One would think there's be enough fighters to go around, at lest with a few amateur bouts on their belt.

I call bullshit on this story! Do you believe every thing two guy who walk in off the street tell you? What was their names?

I want to see a video on that so bad!

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Originally Posted by lates85

i hope you convinced them to not do it. that one fat guy who only lifted weights who made the "jiu jitsu sucks" videos from his basement decided to hop into an mma fight with no experience. ko'd in 11 seconds. it'll be a rude awakening when you say you've fought some bums in the street and somehow think that'll translate well against someone who's been training in all aspects of tearing you apart in a cage

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

I call bullshit on this story! Do you believe every thing two guy who walk in off the street tell you? What was their names?

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That shit happens at my gym all the time. A dude told me he has killer stand up because he is a black belt in TKD and that he wrestled in Junior High so he was good there too. WTF it happens.

80% of the ammy fights around here are loaded with backyard heroes and bar fighting kooks. It's just the way it is.

I've always dreamt of fighting in KOC! Fuck getting in shape, I'm coming! :D
(I'm real good at tapping fast, or verbally submitting while covering up like a threathened porcupine)

There are some small shows around here that anyone can fight in. I know someone who had zero training what'd went in thinking that his cardio would be enough to wear the other guy down. Surprise surprise, KO in less than a minute.

He's a grown man, i assume. If he wants to make a dumb ass decision, let him. But it was nice of you to help either way. But I would've tried to convince him out of it. It's clearly a bad idea.


Although I do recall Rampage fighting in KOTC and his opponent withdrew...and they literally took a guy from the stands to fight Page. LOL. It didn't end well for that guy.

It happens everywhere. I see new faces at our gym (Florence BJJ) all the time. Usually a couple weeks out before our MMA shows. They train the two weeks before the fight and then hop their happy asses in the cage. It's their business. They won't be fighting for our school or representing our gym but if they want to test the waters to see what it's all about... whatever. Every fighter was 0-0 at some point. Hopefully these guys don't get hurt and at least learn there is more to MMA (cage fighting) than swelling up on a drunk dude at the club. And sometimes it takes a good ass whipping to do that.

Kudos to you for attempting to help them though. Hopefully you'll gain some new students and they will gain some experience and knowledge.

Well all I know is if those guys are fighting in a mma event its not king of the cage because the next king of the cage event is not until next weekend in Nevada.

http://www.kingofthecage.com/schedule.asp

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Well all I know is if those guys are fighting in a mma event its not king of the cage because the next king of the cage event is not until next weekend in Nevada.

http://www.kingofthecage.com/schedule.asp

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Ur right, however there is a gladiator challenge on Sunday at soboba casino here in SoCal

I think u guys made the best of a tough situation (basically trying to help a classmate cram for an exam that they literally have barely paid attention in).

Probably liars. If not, it's their life. If they are that dumb, then it's not a big loss to the world if they get maimed. They couldn't even find the right gym; a couple more brain cells down isn't going to do much

Pain is a hell of a teacher.

this happens all the time...matchmaker needs to fill some slots on an ammy card and bam. no experience needed to take a beating. ive seen bouncers from the club that hosted the fights step in at the last minute and fight. this story is text book. but i do commend you for pulling them in and attempting to help them. most gyms would just have let them go not wanting to be affiliated with them in any way until after this blew over.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

Well all I know is if those guys are fighting in a mma event its not king of the cage because the next king of the cage event is not until next weekend in Nevada.

http://www.kingofthecage.com/schedule.asp

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Was trying to find the event then somebody said there is a Gladiator Challenge this Sunday
and sure enough I found. They did say in Soboba. UFC ref Herb Dean use to be head ref of
King of the Cage. He still refs there sometimes. He also was a ref in Gladiator Challenge and
fought in both Gladiator Challenge and King of the Cage. I have those DVDs. Herb was my student.
introduced him to Larry Landless who was working as head ref for King of the Cage.
Herb got me a job working in King of the Cage. Long drive. Use to get home 3 in the morning.
King of the Cage moved to San Manuel que no? Any way they have King of the Cage events
all over now.

One of our guy's brother is also fighting in this Gladiator Challenge event this Sunday Feb. 26, 2012.

Gladiator Challenge-BOMBS AWAY
BOMBS AWAY Sunday, February 26, 2012 SOBOBA CASINO. Gladiator Challenge will be starting of 2012 off with a bang as we present you with the ...
www.gladiatorchallenge.com/event.asp?ID=166 - Cached

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

Pain is a hell of a teacher.

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you can't hurt stupid.lol

Don't forget the one wrestled in high school, boxed and has been training grappling/MMA for
a couple of years. He should be ok. We did tell the other guy not to fight but he wouldn't listen.
So we helped him out all we could.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

you can't hurt stupid.lol

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or fix it either!

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie

I call bullshit on this story! Do you believe every thing two guy who walk in off the street tell you? What was their names?

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This stuff happens all the time around these parts. I would say that more than 50% of MMA cards are fighters less than 3-5 months and atleast 1 or 2 on every card never train.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez

This stuff happens all the time around these parts. I would say that more than 50% of MMA cards are fighters less than 3-5 months and atleast 1 or 2 on every card never train.

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Same here, promoters aren't too worried about who they make money off of. They just need fresh bodies and more and more promotions are coming up.

Id say any guy that fights without training is either fighting with his ego, really stupid, or maaaaaaaaaaybe just a total badass. But probly not the latter.

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Originally Posted by 10th Planet Riverside, Ca

Was trying to find the event then somebody said there is a Gladiator Challenge this Sunday
and sure enough I found. They did say in Soboba. UFC ref Herb Dean use to be head ref of
King of the Cage. He still refs there sometimes. He also was a ref in Gladiator Challenge and
fought in both Gladiator Challenge and King of the Cage. I have those DVDs. Herb was my student.
introduced him to Larry Landless who was working as head ref for King of the Cage.
Herb got me a job working in King of the Cage. Long drive. Use to get home 3 in the morning.
King of the Cage moved to San Manuel que no? Any way they have King of the Cage events
all over now.

One of our guy's brother is also fighting in this Gladiator Challenge event this Sunday Feb. 26, 2012.

Gladiator Challenge-BOMBS AWAY
BOMBS AWAY Sunday, February 26, 2012 SOBOBA CASINO. Gladiator Challenge will be starting of 2012 off with a bang as we present you with the ...
www.gladiatorchallenge.com/event.asp?ID=166 - Cached

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Who's brother is fighting on Sunday? I'll be attending

i bet the guy wins by de la riva to x guard to heek hook...

Ahh I guess the worse that could happen is a ko or wrecked limb maybe he will get lucky and just get choked that's the best possible scenario.

the guy he is fighting can also be a novice and thos are always funny to watch or mabye it will be like bully beatdown where they just toy with the guy.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

the guy he is fighting can also be a novice and thos are always funny to watch

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The "Dreidel Defense" is either amazingly funny, or genius ahead of our time. Starts at :33 into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58pGdRAHQ3g

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Originally Posted by Anthony Herrera

Who's brother is fighting on Sunday? I'll be attending

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Anthony, it's Turtle's brother. You've heard of the Brothers Grimm well they
are The brothers Guam. They are from Guam and are always
talking about Guam. Turtle the guy that does all the bbq's.
You know Turtle? Shy quiet guy. Not! Turtle's brother tapped out a guy with a heelhook in the Absolute match at our in house grappling tournament
a few weeks ago. I got it on video. Actually the video was so long
couldn't fit it on one DVD so Jeff is working on it to put it on one DVD
and then we will give a copy to everybody.