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Let's give this fight some serious thought. If Sheilds beats Kampmann, we all know GSP is next in line. George is not one to take advantage of his strong point (which would be stand up, in this fight). So I really expect this fight to end up on the ground. If it does, who wins? I think Jake's ground game has drastically improved over the years and if given the opportunity, could very well submit GSP. So who's your pick?
I've got Sheilds by submission, rd 3.
I'm with you on that one.
Hah i love the assumption that GSP will run thru Kos
I haven't seen Shields' work. You think his standup is better than GSPs?
Kampmann tko rd 2. Can't sleep on him either. Anyway you look at it we're in for some good fights.
Gsp unanimous decision, if it happens.
Shields' stand up is horrible. But he makes up for it BIG time with everything else.
Then GSP should strike. IMO, if you want to kill a shark, you don't jump in the water and try to bite him. ;)
Will Sheild's be able to take GSP down? If yes interesting fight, if no GSP will TKO him.. Sheilds last 5 fights have been 3 subs (Thompson,Daley,Lawler) and two 5 round unanimous decisions (Miller,Henderson)
I disagree with some of you, GSP is the best wrestler in the UFC and he didnt start wrestling till he got into MMA, he didnt wrestle in high school, college or anywhere. He is a natural athlete!! He takes people down at will and is very hard to take down. You think Jake Shields will submit GSP? Helllllll Nooooo!! BJ Penn one of the greatest grapplers in MMA couldnt do it. GSP passed his guard with ease and controlled hm on the ground for 4 rounds. And BJ Penn has an awesome guard!!! GSP is a good (not great striker), definitely better striker than Shields. Dont get me wrong i went to high school with Jake Shields and i cheer for him when he fights but GSP is my favorite fighter. You cant doubt the man!! As for Koscheck, well i agree dont underestimate him, he wont be the same fighter GSP fought the last time. He's a tough dude!! But i'm taking GSP TKO in the first 10 seconds over Koscheck!! Just kidding!!! I'm taking GSP in the 3rd round TKO (referee stoppage)
I think Sheilds can get the td, maybe not as easily as gsp can, either way though sheilds will end up on top and get the sub. He has the size not to get pushed around, a good enogh chin not to get ko'd great wrestling and an incredible ground game. It would be a good fight.
I agree it will be a good fight buuuuuuuut............ If you ever watch Jake Shields stand up, its like its in slow motion!! I'm really surprised he hasnt been knocked out more!! But he has a good chin cause Dan Henderson hit him with some good shots and he hung in there and pulled out a victory!! He's got a lot of heart!!!
Jake Shields standup is total shit, but godly on the ground. GSP has it all, his striking is very good on how he flows in his combinations with punches and kicks. With a top fighter with lots of tools, GSP can do anything. You never know if GSP is going to strike with you or take you down. I don't see Jake Shields getting the takedown on GSP, but the other way around at some point. I believe that Shields will be able to pull off a reversal here and there. If GSP wins I say by TKO if standing, or another ref calls like always if on the ground. What I want is Jake Shields to relentlessly attack GSP in the guard and ground game and submit him.
And for GSP generally, I lost respect for him as a human ever since he cheated. I really do believe he greased up on vaseline.
OK, A few misunderstood my initial post. Jake's stand up is horrible. Now most fighters would expose their opponents weakness. I don't think GSP would try to KO Jake, I actually think he will try to take Jake down and GNP. As far as looking past opponents, good ponits. Jake and GSP could both lose their upcoming fights. I actually think Kampmann is more dangerous to Jake than GSP. On the BJ Penn notes, yes hes a good grappler but Jake is a different machine. BJ is 155. Jake is a big 170 and has fights at 185. He has wins over Mayhem Miller, Dan Henderson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler... Can BJ beat Dan Henderson??? No way. If this fight goes down, it will end up on the ground. There Jake has a huge advantage. I don't think GSP will fight the fight he needs to, to win. He wants to test himself against the best in the world, at their element, and win. He will try to grapple with Jake and IMO, he'll probably get subbed.
I got to go with GSP. He said about the Dan Hardy fight he plays to where he feels he has the highest percentage chance to win the fight. With Hardy he felt more comfortable on the ground because Hardy is good stand up. GSP has some pretty good stand up so im thinkin he will keep it up and take out shields. If things start lookin bad on there feet im pretty sure everyone agrees GSP can get him to the ground.
I think a lot of you are not giving Jake credit on his take down ability he took down and beat up Dan Henderson, who's hard to take down without accutally rocking him first, I think if this fight happens GSP will have to worry about shields takedowns cause he's very good at taking anyone down off their strikes he plays to that moment very well when a person commits to a strike he takes that shot and almost always finishes it. If jake does get take down he's got great defense and is good off his back so I think this makes an interesting fight
"And for GSP generally, I lost respect for him as a human ever since he cheated. I really do believe he greased up on vaseline". Lol
Well Im glad you can beleive your eyes if you watched the video you can clearly see his corner man rub vaseline on him.. GSP is not a cheater though! wasnt it phill nurse who was caught rubbing it on him. you really think that Gsp knew the difference between when they ussually rub his back and that...lol cause GSP is the kind of man who deserves no respect.
Jake poses the greatest threat to Georges title.
Jake Sheilds by decision.
Canada Wins!
im not saying i think GSP will win ,but if he does pull shields as a opponent..you know he is going to have several weeks of training time.and im sure he will be polishing his ground game with great grapplers...so he will not be a pushover on the ground. i think its still up in the air
First of all G.S.P.s stand up is way over rated he got dropped by a 4' tall 155lbs jiu jitsu guy. "G.S.P. is the best wrestler in mma" this statement is false and I would almost venture to say stupid and insulting to a lot of high leval wrestlers in mma but G.S.P. could very well have the best take downs in mma. There is more to wresteling than just the double and single leg take down. I should remind some of you guys G.S.P. is a legit Gracie Barra black belt and he proved it against Dan Hardy. Dan Hardy only survived that fight because he is a BEAST! and one tough s.o.b. G.S.P.s game plan for every fight is to take his opponet down, believe it! He will take Kos down and he will take Shields down. If he did try to stand with Shields I believe Shields would find a way to get it to the ground but it doesnt matter because G.S.P. will take it there for him. Now once it hits the ground it will be an entertaining fight. I really want to believe Shields will pull out the submition. I will be rooting for him and its possible but who knows you can bet against G.S.P.
I guess no one ever gets caught. Matt Serra landed a lucky punch. What other time was GSP caught with a punch like that? When was the last time you saw Jake submit someone off of his back? If GSP does decided to take this fight to the ground I don't think that he has to worry about Jake submitting him. GSP will finish Jake in round 3 or 4 by GnP or TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I was just about to comment on that same quote. I agree with chuck Gsp just got caught. I hate it when people say he has a weak chin because Matt Serra never hit it. He was hit in the temple and lost his equallibrium. Gsp has been taking everyone down for some time now but it wouldnt be a big suprise to me if he aims to Ko Kos in montreal. He has not been impressed with his own performances as of late and will try to make a huge statement in front of his home crowd.
Jake Sheilds it has to be
i don't think GSPs striking is overrated, its just that he has great strikes from a distance. he doesn't strike from in the pocket, serra got in close and caught him.
If he "just got caught" by Matt Serra why did he feel the need to take him down in the first 10 SECONDS of the rematch. who is the last person he knocked out matt huges 4 yrs ago? Who else has he knocked out? B.J. Penn beat him in the stand up in there first fight. When is the last time he went one round with out taking his opponet down. I never said G.S.P.s stand up sucks. Hes great at using it to set up take downs. He gets away with alot because of his speed. Im just saying by a lot of peoples accounts on this thred and other people its over rated.
He took him down because GSP's has a smothering top game and excellent passing. Even though Serra is great at Jiu Jitsu, it's not like he has been able to transition that part of his game to MMA. Serra's last true submission win was in 2002. Serra's only chance to win both times was a "Punchers chance." Everyone knows that Serra has some good power in his hands. He simply caught GSP behind the ear and put him down in their first fight. So GSP went the smart route and took him down. If I remember correctly the last time GSP stood a whole round was in his fight against Alves. I'm not saying GSP's stand-up is world class. However I think GSP's stand-up is better than most give him credit for. I think is stand-up is pretty good but what makes it dangerous is takedown ability. It his opponent have to worry about being taken down which makes him tentative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie