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So I always get guard or half guard pulled on me in class. I don't care I like working on my top game. But I feel im getting so much training on top and none on bottom. I'm 99% not in bottom guard. How can I induce a situation where im on bottom. When I try to pull guard 99% of the time we're ending up in the 50/50 position, I know no leglocks or anything at this stage of my training so I usually go on top in fear I will get anklelocked or something. Any thoughts?
Blake
I've found that trying new Judo throws is a great way to end up on the bottom, at least the first dozen or so times I go for them.
Easy, mount them first then let them roll you over, they dont get points for it and your where you want to be.
Ya its that easy, let them sweep you into your guard and work from there.. or you could slap hands and immediately sit down.
If you have good training partners, the best idea is to simply ask them to start inside your guard. Good training partner doesnt mean you roll against a world champ in class. It means you have guys willing to work on technique and improving. Willing to work on learning and expanding their game and yours in class. (kinda like your trying to do)
Heres a cool training tip when your rolling in the gym. If you have trouble getting to work your bottom game, put yourself in the Worst position imaginable. Say you land in full guard after your partner pulls guard simply rollover and let him mount you. This will give you experience defending and escaping the mount and advancing into your guard play from a bad spot. It can be a pain somedays but your chain grappling will double in effectivness because of it.
Or, if you prefer a dangerous route, launch into a power double leg and when your opponent sprawls, pull guard before your opponent hits any submissions from there. For training, I much prefer the first suggestion!
You could just ask your partners if you can start on bottom so you can work your guard game...
Why isn't anyone sweeping you?
I get swept into side control or mount a lot. Im still a step slow when im getting swept so I lose guard sometimes I get half guard, but my game from half guard is seriously weak that's why I cant get back to guard. Thanks for the suggestions guys I will try some different stuff out.
I agree with ScottRay. Just simply ask, "hey I want to work my guard. Can we start there?".Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRay
Seems like a fool proof plan :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Sounds like you need to start working on paths that lead back to the guard from all other positions. I've had to do that. One of the holes I've had in my game is getting caught in bottom side and also, not being able to get back to my guard. So for like 3 weeks I let everyone pass my guard and land in side, then I'd work escapes that lead back to my guard. I could've just started in guard, but then I wouldn't have patched the hole in my game. You suck at half guard, but you get there. You get caught in bottom side. You get caught in bottom mount. There's so many transitions to be learned! Wizar pimp, Jailbreak, escape from Alcatraz, etc. So many awesome escapes and transitions to learn.
I personaly would go with pass, mount, roll plan. Just asking would be too easy.
Your bottom half should be strong. Its was my favorite 10th planet stuff until the new path. Do you have Mastering the hubber guard? It breaks down the bottom half well including a technique eddie uses to get bottom half when starting on knees.
-ask to start full guard
-learn to posture up and get out of full guard so you can then below,
-pass guard really hard and heavy, If people know that you might drop on them with your hip and ass, they'll start not wanting you to pass. :) They will scoot away and stand up to avoid the hib battering. Mmaahhhwahaha (you better get good at controlling people with your legs when they are doing standing passes because they'll try to do the same thing for revenge, and dont do it to weak people, they might break:))
-get more familiar with leg locks so you can respect instead of fear them.
Fully agree Blake, just ask to start in guard or any position for that matter I'm sure your training partners will be more than glad to let you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Slap hands, sit on your butt, roll onto your back, guard.
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Originally Posted by Kurzy
Im missing something, why would they just get in your guard? Personally I'd go for standing passes.
They're not going to just get in, but lets say they go to pass into side control. Just just have your jail break ready to go and BAM! Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Also, if he's trying to be a guard player it will help him to not have such an easy guard to pass by starting in boot scoot. He'll also have to learn guard recovery when it does get passed. Handy stuff!
I suppose it def can be a step towards the guard.
Yea, I've been doing that for a few weeks bc I've been trying to work guard, guard recovery, and side control escapes. It all flows together.
Thanks for the advice peeps