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So last night i was rolling and i had lockdown, double underhooks, but for the life of me couldnt whip up. Just felt like i was too weak too.
Do i need to drill more, or is it harder to whip up when your a little gassed?
And also one guy i had in the lockdown just stood up and locked my legs in a crazy lock hey, and he said NEVER CROSS YOUR LEGS LIKE THAT? anyone know what the fuck that was?
Yeah, if the bend their leg back and pretty much stand up, it reverses your lockdown on you and you cant undo it. Iv only had it done to me once. My instructor did it to me at the gym Im at.
Because I was super new and being polite, I just nodded. In order to sit back/stand up, they have to give you their free leg. They might have some control over you, but you still have your lockdown. There didnt appear to be anything stopping me attacking the free leg, knocking it out from under them and going to electric chair or stoner control. Seemed a gift actually.
Try it and let me know what happens. I was going to try it out tonight because I know everyone fairly well now, but it was my first night back rolling after an operation and I tore one of my incisions open. Lots of blood. Back to watching. :(
Yeah I would if I could have whipped him up. Like I said I had double insertions, lockdown, pushed up on his ribs, whipped up my legs but just couldn't get him up over me
And
My body to my side. Do I just need to drill my whip up more?
you can't drill the whip up too much. I would say, more than anything else in the system, you need reps on the whip up.
and always keep control of your opponent's upper body somehow. over hook, underhook... something. he won't be able to sit back for that lock. and without control of the upper body, he is gonna drop down for that butt compressor, too, and pass really easily.
Oh, I wasnt talking about the whip up problems. I have whip up problems of my own. Leave that to the veterans.
I was talking about the second bit where the I have had my lockdown kind of reversed on me. I couldnt get it off and I had lost control of my legs. Looking again, seems quite different to what you describe. Similar, but different. The guy did stand up, but there was no crazy lock.
Will wait and see what others say.
The most important thing about half guard is to get to you side. If he sits up and gives you space like that just turn to your side, hug him around the hip and work old school, half and half, electric chair, etc. Drill dip sets!!! It is an amazing drill and will greatly improve your lockdown game.
Indian Death Lock can only happen without control like Brandon said. Less arms more legs on the whip up. Arms are more or less a guide.
He told you to never cross your legs like that? What a kook. Where do these kinds of people keep coming from? Many half guards can be calf cranked if the top guy can create enough space to turn around and attack the legs.
Here's a random one I found on my first youtube search.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSGSD8oghrU
The point is, that the bottom guy should never be allowing the top guy to create enough space to maneuver that way (underhooks). Too much space allows for cranks, kimuras, and darces. And in all honesty, your partner only got away with it because you had no idea what he was doing. You may have to drill it but whenever a guy posts off of me and turns around I immediately release the lock down and try to take his back, pull guard, or gain some type of position to take advantage of the space he created.
Have you tried the "whip out" (under hook leg)?
ya, do it like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ian quinto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jEjVkPabpM
damn, who's that sexy ass asian guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
he's so dreamy.
Yeah Jarrad. The whip up has evolved bro. You don't have to push up on the ribs. Einstein goes over a variation in 10th Planet All Stars. Less work, works better, improves speed and transitioning to sweeps... you don't even need double unders.
That sexy asian guy would be me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ian quinto
The weird looking guy in the video I'm sure is Ian Quinto
Disclaimer: I don't look Chinese, but I am!
brandon just rocked itQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
In the words of the great Eddie Bravo...REP REP REP REP REP REP REP REP REP REP REP REP!!!!
But I do have a little tip that I like to do, When I go to whip up, I do a cross between the forsaken Whip, and the plan B... I place my lockdown side hand on the guys hip, and my other side on his other knee, when I whip up, instead of pressing his body up, I roll my lockdown out and then back in as I push his far knee backwards, once Im on my side if I cant shoot straight to E.C. I deep hook his thigh and go hard back the other direction, as I curl my knees inward with his leg in tow...this typically sets me up in my top game.
Like AJ Camacho said... the calf crank is there, here's a video of me doing one during live rolling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER4Sg5j5Wp8&feature=player_embedded
I didn't see a post on this, if it's in here I'm sorry but also be sure when your whipping up you don't just LIFT your lockdown into the air. Bring your knees to your chest kind of motion, and guide him to your shoulder opposite the lockdown. I just got these good bits of advice like 2 days ago from our fellow warriors here and my lockdown game skyrocketed. It's the tiniest things that matter most, so make sure never to overlook them
In my experience, there are a couple things with the whip up:
1) There are some human beings that can base out and crush you down. If a move worked 100% of the time, that would be the only move we'd ever need. That is why Eddie has addresses so many paths 'off the main street' (lockdown, RG, TSC). Sometimes the normal road you are on WILL get shut down. Period.
2) Timing. I think many people forget that jiu jitsu is as much about your partner as is it is about you. The 10th Planet system MAY be an attacking system, but it is STILL jiu jitsu. That means, waiting and feeling your partner's body movement. Finding that RIGHT time to explode with the whip up. Its called kinetic chess for a reason.
3) Lastly, the leg lock from that position is called the Indian Death Lock.. Look it up on you tube. Its a Catch move that CAN catch you if you are caught snoozing.
Ari is spot on guys... I agree 100% esp with the timing comment. From the first post my opinion was that you must be bench pressing the guy WAY up in the air... I know I'm rehashing this point and the videos have been posted to help you out so I'm not going to labor the point. I would however like to throw a new term at you. "Weeble-Wobble"... Hummm, the young guys say "What?" and us Old timers need no explaination. "Weeble-wobbling" is the art of whipping up into a tight little roll-ie ball... I personally prefer to Boa if I'm not trying to Speed Half-and Half outta there. Either way an Indian Death Lock should not ever happen. I have yet to meet a Catch guy that can do it "at-will" to an experienced whipper-upper :)
Train hard ;)
Weebles Wobble, but they dont fall down......Dang Neal, Id forgotten about those....lol
LOL.... Somebody knows!!! I describe my butterfly sweeps the same way ;)
I think my instructor described it like a stir fry wok. I like weeble wobble though.
"Weebles Wobble, but they dont fall down"
is that like "Pimps may trip but they never fall"
+1 for Timing!
Thanks heaps guys. Without being able to drill and drill and drill I'm only able to learn and rep by doing while rolling. While I'm
I'm in Perth I am going to the open mat session of a jj school coz I miss
Classes coz of work. I'll keep working and report back on how well I was able to pull off with tips yous gave me.
Nibiru forum = fucking helpful
When used properly, it can be invaluable. I always learn or reinforce something. And it's actually gettin better. badassQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarrad Mckay
and it sucks to get caught in to
that video has been super helpful im gonna utilise that next time i roll, see how it goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe1HC9tVkA
This video helped me so much with my whip up!