Anybody ever tried the Gracie Combatives course? If so was it worth it
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Anybody ever tried the Gracie Combatives course? If so was it worth it
I do not go to a 10p school. We do the Gracie combative. It is mostly self defense. If you complete it you get a white belt with a blue stripe. I work my 10p stuff and get odd looks it is funny. I can send pics of my card if wish.
White belt with blue stripe? What that like of a blue belt?
They don’t give full blue till you go to a certified training center. You have to meet different requirements. The white with blue is not a true blue belt.
I trained at a CTC for five years, until recently. The white and blue belt is the Combatives belt, which you receive for passing your Combatives test. You have to do six months to a year (instructor's discrection, I believe) of Master Cycle classes and sparring to receive your full blue belt.
As for whether or not it is worth it, it definitely won't help you beat other BJJ practitioners in a roll or tournament setting, but isn't really meant for that. It will give you a good sense of what it's like to use BJJ against strikes, as well as a solid (albeit small) foundation of knowledge to build upon. Some of the techniques are useful in all situations, such as the Elbow Escape and Double Underhook guard pass, while others are specific to situations where your opponent is intent on striking you.
I liked Combatives, and even after I had earned my blue and purple belts I still continued to attend every Combatives class.
I just joined the 10th Planet online videos and just purchased the GJJ Combative Videos. What I having trouble with the 10th P site is how do I get started in a meaning fashion I just see a bunch of videos and not much direction.
How are you adding in the 10th P videos a any ideas or thoughts of pitfalls to avoid.
Watching each months MTS is like a virtual seminar with Master Eddie. I would watch each new one and follow along as best as possible at the beginning. I would also try and follow along with the warmups or at least to the White Belt Wall. If you are doing GC I would recommend watching a lot of the LockDown stuff to get a base to start expanding from. After you have the lockdown flows down it will be easier to see where rubberguard, twister and other stuff will fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by csvazquez
As someone that trains at both HQ’s I highly highly recommend learning the guard punch block series in particular before delving into rubber guard. The rubber guard builds right upon it. The elevator sweep will tie in with the Jean Jacques butterfly variations, the pyramid in the 10th planet System is basically the same position as the 1.5 triangle setup in the Gracie system. The mount control in combatives as well as the mount escapes is essential. Build your game off combatives as a quick go-to reference then take the red pill as you invest in the 10th planet system.
The Gracie’s are the Jedi Temple, the 10th Planet clan is the Death Star. Both represent their respective ends of the force, both are to be studied to become a complete Jedi. Do not be fooled into thinking the Gracies have nothing of value. They are the best for straight-up defense. When you have that fundamental base and wanna add the real deal offensive firepower tho, you gotta hit up the conspiracy theorists.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The Gracie shit works beautifully on people particularly if they don’t know it, even if they’re high level. Depends on the reflex you’ve developed on Combatives and how you’ve integrated in the rest of your game. I use many of the moves in it daily, including at 10pHQ where it’s been a lifesaver oftentimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Wilhelm
It’s basic Jiu Jitsu, elbow escapes and controls and the like. How does that not work in tournaments or rolls?
Yes, I concede that the elbow escapes are always useful. Sometimes I make use of Headlock Escape 1, also. I am not saying that it's useless, but it is clearly a cirriculum designed for opponents who are displaying a very specific type of action / reaction. Very few people exhibit these same reactions during rolls or in a tournament, in my experience. On the other hand, it could be an incredible coincidence that every person I have ever met who is trained solely in Combatives gets crushed in rolls and tournaments against people of their same rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arman Fathi
Edit: After re-reading my original post, I have to say that if you read my post, you clearly missed the part where I said that some techniques are always useful, and gave examples. If this is about whether some of Gracie Combatives is useful in rolls (which it is), or ALL of Gracie Combatives is useful in rolls (which it isn't), then I would be happy to cite examples of techniques which are clearly not useful.
All of them are useful in context, in the right situaysh. My overarching point is that tenth planet builds on the basics of Combatives beautifully. They should both be learned, no question. Not even a shadow of a doubt. Stage 5 punch defense with feet on the hips? This is where all guard players must conceptually start at. A turn of the hips is all you need for a de la riva or spiral guard. The bullfighter pass in the warmups addresses this. So we learn counters of the basics in 10p. Combatives teaches to not give your back in side control and instead turn into the guy? �� boom ��Twister side control. Eddie has very much talked about how it takes advantage of obeying Jiu Jitsu law. Jiu Jitsu law is punch defense, distance management, energy efficiency, Gracie diet. Ok we can argue that last one, the others are goals. Literally everything in Combatives can prepare you all you need to get by in a scrap. Not an mma fight, not a Jiu Jitsu tournament, a scrap with an uneducated goon. That’s their mission and they do it right, just as 10p fulfills their role in the universe as the Death Star. It should be learned and studied by everyone if for no other reason than to know what to look for and anticipate in your future attacks if you know they come exclusively from that school of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Wilhelm
As far as MTS direction goes, start with rubber guard and lockdown half. Having a good triangle and a good electric chair in your arsenal early is vital