i used to believe in banning guns but i've changed my mind since getting to know pothead gun owners and banning guns is the same as censorship to me. i am so sorry about those kids and all the people who have died violently recently, not sure what else i can really say, it's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff V
Maybe you're right? Or, on the other hand, had their gun laws permitted ccw, the killer could've been stopped before causing even more damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Hester
I've been doing some research and it seems that a number of shooting sprees are cut short by armed civilians. I gotta do more research, but so far that seems to be the trend. And it would make sense. If nothing else, it would serve as a distraction to allow people to escape. Or it would make the assailant take cover and stop shooting.
So far I've found out about the Pearl High School shooting spree that was cut short by a principal who had a gun in his car, the Parker Middle School dance shooting that was cut short by the venue owner, and the Trolley Square Mall shooting where an off duty outside of his jurisdiction pinned the shooter down with fire from his personal carry firearms until swat arrived.
These are only 3 incidents and I'm still reading about more. The massive tragedies we hear about continue due to no resistance. The ones met with resistance are cut short. And since the body count isn't big, the news barely covers them. I can get all conspiracy theorist on you guys, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
How about instead of stopping the shooter with a gun after he already shot and killed several people, we lower as much as we can the probabilities of the shooting happening in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
If you have more people with guns even if you cut short some shootings i believe there will also be more shootings, so in the end more people will be dead.
Also i believe that in the majority of situations having lots of people carrying guns besides the shooter will lead to more people being killed due to confusion about who was the original shooter ( so they would start shooting themselves thinking they were shooting the original shooter), there would be more bullets flying through the air which means more innocents would be killed, the cops themselves would be more nervous and shoot first and ask questions later since themselves can't know who from all the people shooting is the original shooter,etc...
These shootings are chaotic events and adding more guns to the mix i believe would do much more harm than good.
You talk about conspiracies as do others, but how about the big conspiracy? making tons of money selling guns. Money, it's always the money. Please make sure to check where you get your facts from and see if the authors aren't making money of all this.
I can see where you're coming from. But it's an assumption, and it's like you're still blaming guns for mass killings. The root of the violence is that people want to hurt others. Are there mass stabbings in the US? No? then why would you believe that we'd have more mass shootings? That makes no sense. Listen, I'd love to live in a gun free world. But since we don't, it makes no sense to neuter responsible citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Statistics prove you wrong. Stats show that armed citizens end shooting sprees faster than the police.Quote:
Also i believe that in the majority of situations having lots of people carrying guns besides the shooter will lead to more people being killed due to confusion about who was the original shooter ( so they would start shooting themselves thinking they were shooting the original shooter), there would be more bullets flying through the air which means more innocents would be killed, the cops themselves would be more nervous and shoot first and ask questions later since themselves can't know who from all the people shooting is the original shooter,etc...
Making money selling guns is not the big conspiracy. Hhahahaah. Oil is much bigger. The military industrial complex is a way bigger conspiracy contributor. Civilian carry is not a conspiracy to make money. And what if someone is making money off of it? Does it make it less factual? Do sellers of medicinal herbs not make money? Do educators not make money? I understand your knee jerk reaction, but you're looking in the wrong place for the problem. People are the problem. Not tools.Quote:
You talk about conspiracies as do others, but how about the big conspiracy? making tons of money selling guns. Money, it's always the money. Please make sure to check where you get your facts from and see if the authors aren't making money of all this.
I don't understand what your point is here. Even though there are more knives than guns doing mass murder with guns is way easier, and the more guns there are the higher the chances your loved ones will be caught in one.Quote:
I can see where you're coming from. But it's an assumption, and it's like you're still blaming guns for mass killings. The root of the violence is that people want to hurt others. Are there mass stabbings in the US? No? then why would you believe that we'd have more mass shootings? That makes no sense.
That's not possible, but you can have a society were guns are rare and very hard to get.Quote:
Listen, I'd love to live in a gun free world.
Here we go again, with the black and white view of the world...Quote:
But since we don't, it makes no sense to neuter responsible citizens.
I wonder were you got those statistics from... but let's suppose they are true, you have to bear in mind that those cases only one person had a gun, not everybody had one. Do you believe that in the aurora theater shooting if several people had guns in the audience less people would have died?Quote:
Statistics prove you wrong. Stats show that armed citizens end shooting sprees faster than the police.
When i was talking about conspiracy i was talking only in the universe of gun control conspiracies. People who mention all the gun control conspiracies always fail to mention that there are a lot of people making huge tons of money selling guns. Did the places were you got your statistics from showed the ones about how much gun sales increase after these kinds of violence acts occur? The more fear the more guns they sell!Quote:
Making money selling guns is not the big conspiracy. Hhahahaah. Oil is much bigger. The military industrial complex is a way bigger conspiracy contributor. Civilian carry is not a conspiracy to make money. And what if someone is making money off of it?
Please don't insult me, give me the same courtesy i am giving you. My views are based on a lot of time researching and trying to learn as much as i can on the issue. Just because i have a different view from yours don't assume it is a "knee jerk reaction".Quote:
I understand your knee jerk reaction
Guns are tools for killing so please stop comparing them to cars and other examples like that. They are not equivalent, it is not a fair comparison.Quote:
but you're looking in the wrong place for the problem. People are the problem. Not tools.
Of course people are the problem. I thought i was pretty clear about that when i said before: "We are all people, and people can be negligent, stupid, angry, crazy, sick, jealous, overconfident, drugged, drunk, make mistakes, etc... "
That is why i want to make it has hard as possible for them to get guns.