No more triangle!!!

I've been seeing Cora go to her triangle once too many. She is good at it, so she thinks that is all she will use. So for a couple of days now this week, I tell her NO MORE Triangles. Don't even use it to set anything else up. No triangle in any form or position or else she will owe me 100 push ups. I want her to get proficent at other things as well...ie rubber guard attacks, RNC, killer Kimura I've been teaching her....anything else other than her go to move. So basically I'm asking her to go into battle, but leave the gun at home, only take the knives....lol

This is the result from last night. It was so funny because I know she wants to end him with the Triangle so bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia9EPVczaSM

and I found this last night as well, Cora about 7 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahQVbCvDvM

as you can see, all this is only 7 months in the making.

that is AWESOME man. shes gonna be a killer. dont forget one thing though, a lady named Honda Housey (sp?) is pretty well known for ONLY doing Armbars...didnt seem to tarnish her reputation :) I'm saying...maybe allow the triangle to initially be locked up, then make her transition from there. no squeeze. especially if thats what got her to PanAms anyway. make her rep it still :)

This is why I come in here.. You guys always have the right thing to say...LOL Man I never thought of it that way. I was just afraid that she become too predictable. But on the other hand, she been killin them with the triangle for the longest and even though they know its come, they still can't stop it. Just like Ronda Rousey...:):) So I guess you have a point there.

My advice:

Let her go for what she likes. If she wants the triangle, let her kill with it. It builds incredible proficiency and self-confidence, which will encourage her to train more and harder. Plus it makes it fun for her. And if it's fun, she's gonna be more likely to stay with it and work hard for a lifetime, rather than burn out after a few years.

I think once she knows the triangle is her unstoppable go-to move, she will be comfortable venturing out into other moves, knowing she can fall back onto that in an emergency.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

My advice:

Let her go for what she likes. If she wants the triangle, let her kill with it. It builds incredible proficiency and self-confidence, which will encourage her to train more and harder. Plus it makes it fun for her. And if it's fun, she's gonna be more likely to stay with it and work hard for a lifetime, rather than burn out after a few years.

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Yes exactly just let her get her numbers in with the triangles, eventually her training partners will get good at defending it, and it will make them better escaping and learn how to deal with it and in turn make better at trying to catch them in it.

I agree with every one on this thread, let her hit that triangle until peeps stop it. Nothing wrong with being an absolute monster with one sub, the Ronda example is huge.

But that's just in rolling.

Drill everything you see on MTS so when dudes stop her triangle she'll have mad back up plans already sharpened up and ready to go :)

wow thanks guys for all your input. I do appreciate every bit of advice. And of course when master eddie put his 2 cents in, Brucey have to really listen. ...:) I will allow her to use her Triangle for tomorrow. I already see what I wanted to see from her and yes she is able to do work without the triangle, but it does take longer to finish the match. Now she's hitting the armbar from rubber guard, looks decent enough. You are all correct and I agree with all of you. I guess having one great thing is way better than having 10 so so things. Also here are a few things we been working on the past couple of weeks. Just in case.

Half guard: Lockdown, whip up, old school, electric chair sweep, take back, kimura, butterfly sweep

rubber guard: armbar, carni, omoplata, gogoplata, special K, soccerer, sweep. I think she did what looks like a special K today.

Breaking posture: kimura, whizzer, hip bump, and a few others

Spider guard: sweep, triangle, armbar

kimura: defend single leg takedown, from all positions

Sitting guard and butterfly guard (some of Marcelo Garcia's stuff)

I think 2 more weeks of this, she will be ready for Pans.

Agree with everyone else 100%. Half the fun of jiu jitsu is exploring the paths of your favorite moves for months on end haha :-)
My advice would be don't get too 'involved' in her training, that is what her coaches are for. They are trained for this.
Also be careful not to be making her do so much so often that it starts to feel like a chore. You see it happen all the time. Would be a shame for her being so talented to lose interest. She has wicked skills bro. Congrats. :-)

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." Bruce Lee

Relates to any technique

Have her try setting up the tepee instead of the triangle. It is a very similar sub from almost the exact same position. When I cannot finish an opponent with the triangle, this always does the trick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkxTPSHHYeY

Sam: as far as training Cora, you see we been at that gym for 2 yrs now and see so many kids come and go. And those that stayed isn't improving much in these pass 2 years maybe due to lack of parents involvement. And I'm not sure if its just this gym but I don't see how any kid can improve much without extra outside help other than their coaches at the gym. Sometimes they spent 2 weeks going through the same techniques and then a couple of months later repeat that same techniques because now they are getting more new kids. So for kids that really want to improve their game like Cora and are faster learner, these recycle of old techniques just for the new kids are slowing their progress. The gym only last an hour. How can any kid improve with 1 hour a day and maybe only 2 hours a week at the gym? To be honest, not all kids there are there to learn, they take it as day care or something. The parents just drop them off and really don't care if their kid is learning or not. Well that can't be me. And I always preach to Cora, to be the best, you have to be willing to do more than the rest. So if her gym is teaching them 1 technique per week, I teach Cora 5-6. We drill 40 minutes before going to the gym everyday. And on the weekend that is when I have more time with her and that time is when we really hit the new techniques. During the weekdays, with school and homework, she only have 30-40 minutes to drill, so we don't do any new techniques, just review and drill the ones we practice that weekend before. Then we go to the gym, and anything she learn at the gym is just bonus. We basically use the gym for sparring purpose mostly as what they teach her are always a few weeks behind what I teach her. We've only been doing this way for 7 months, you can see by the vid of her prior to us starting to train like this. This way is working for us, probably differ from the usual. Due to me training her like this, she is able to take on kids that has way more experience than her. Wait and see what she will be like in another 6 months....

Vincent: I do know the teepee and we touch on it, but is it legal for kids? I stop teaching her that move because I don't know if the ref will DQ her for body crushing. Can someone verify this for me please? Its really a great move from the triangle.

A couple of vid from last night training..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04AbRqf-mtE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xQ37gF3U40

I’m kind of late to the party here but had the same thing to say as everyone else (let her keep the triangle, especially when training for a big event coming up). There is a reason she gravitated to it in the first place; look how well it fits in her game.

In terms of parental evolvement I think it’s great that you want to be involved. I know before you said you couldn’t train because of time and money and your daughters training was more important ext. ext. But I would *highly* recommend you training yourself if you want your coaching for your daughter to continue to be relevant in upcoming years. Feel free to drop in and train with us for free if you can make it one day :) But seriously, train anywhere in anything grappling if you can.

By the way, if a lot of moves is what’s fun for her, then whatever is fun sounds ok to me. But if it isn’t, and it’s only about getting better, take inconsideration this: there is having a move in your game and having a trivial knowledge of a move. If you’re looking at moves and not given the time to incorporate it in her game before you move on to the next one, then you eliminate the chance to add another move to her game. Look at her roll; is everything she “knows” in “her game”? Of course not, I don’t think that’s true for anyone. Just food for thought.

Best of luck at the Pan Am’s :)
~ Brian

Oh, and tepee is a choke and is tournament legal for kids. I would let her stick to the triangle though, as from my observation, among children, the small shoulders make the tepee more difficult. Triangle and triangle arm-bar is money :)

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Originally Posted by Cora Sek

Sam: as far as training Cora, you see we been at that gym for 2 yrs now and see so many kids come and go. And those that stayed isn't improving much in these pass 2 years maybe due to lack of parents involvement And I'm not sure if its just this gym but I don't see how any kid can improve much without extra outside help other than their coaches at the gym. Sometimes they spent 2 weeks going through the same techniques and then a couple of months later repeat that same techniques because now they are getting more new kids. So for kids that really want to improve their game like Cora and are faster learner, these recycle of old techniques just for the new kids are slowing their progress. The gym only last an hour. How can any kid improve with 1 hour a day and maybe only 2 hours a week at the gym? To be honest, not all kids there are there to learn, they take it as day care or something. The parents just drop them off and really don't care if their kid is learning or not. Well that can't be me. And I always preach to Cora, to be the best, you have to be willing to do more than the rest. So if her gym is teaching them 1 technique per week, I teach Cora 5-6. We drill 40 minutes before going to the gym everyday. And on the weekend that is when I have more time with her and that time is when we really hit the new techniques. During the weekdays, with school and homework, she only have 30-40 minutes to drill, so we don't do any new techniques, just review and drill the ones we practice that weekend before. Then we go to the gym, and anything she learn at the gym is just bonus. We basically use the gym for sparring purpose mostly as what they teach her are always a few weeks behind what I teach her. We've only been doing this way for 7 months, you can see by the vid of her prior to us starting to train like this. This way is working for us, probably differ from the usual. Due to me training her like this, she is able to take on kids that has way more experience than her. Wait and see what she will be like in another 6 months....

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Hi there Cora's Dad. It is funny, I was only having this conversation this morning. Now here too. :-)
Yes EVERYBODY redrills/recycles tech with their instructors at some point, even us adults. Can never drill too much anyway IMO. I guess what I am saying is there is a fine line between enough and too much parental involvement. Especially if the parent has never trained themself (I used to part own a gym so have seen all kinds of craziness from parents haha. The majority were great though admittedly). Remember once seeing an overweight parent trying to bark orders at his son WHILST the instructor was teaching him LOL;
I hope you don't mind me asking but have you ever trained JJ/MMA? I ask because I am 1 of those old farts that feels like someone who has never trained in BJJ/MMA etc has no business teaching it - to anyone. Here is an example of why. My friend and I went over to this MMA gym a few miles away from us. My pal had only been training himself 6 months and playing with 10p stuff around a month, anyway, whilst there we found out the guy teaching (the owner) had no MMA or ground experience at all, just 20 years kung fu, and noticed when he was teaching technique he was only teaching like 75% of what we needed to know and because his guys were drilling it that way they were kinda picking up bad habits. He was pretty much missing all the tiny details, absolute essential parts of the tech, and when it came to rolling my buddy steamrolled through all his guys without ever even getting off his back. But at our gym he gets wrecked daily. Basically the instructor over there had some idea of how the tech went through watching online vids etc, but because he didn't roll or anything himself he had no real clue about leverage etc. It just wasn't the same as when a guy that rolls and trains watches and learns from videos.

I hope you do not feel insulted by this post as it is not meant to offend you at all. As I said earlier Cora has mad skills. She is going to go far. :-)

A guy at my gym is do ridiculously good at top game and collar chokes like bow n arrow, Ezekiel, and the rest. He doesn't even go for armbars or anything... And why should he. All it's doing is increasing his proficiency and increasing everyone's choke defense in our gym. I can see where you're coming from, but you should be telling the guys to work on defences for it, instead of telling her not to use it.

Then she'll have to adapt to other techniques, and she'll grow that way. As time goes on its only going to get harder for her to triangle people at the gym, and easier in competition