http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=6OL9KQjL05M
Jump to around 14 minute mark.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=6OL9KQjL05M
Jump to around 14 minute mark.
His press conferences are almost as good as the fights
Wow! I'm glad Dana still tells it how it is, GSP did not win!
anyone disagree?
I think fights should be scored on fight metrics not apparent damage because thats the rules and we can't always see what damage has been done visually. According to the fight metrics, Hendricks barely won,
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/11/...icial-ufc.html
GSP had more sig strikes but hendrick had more sig strikes to the head area which must be heavily weighted by the metrics. In the grappling area GSP had twice the take downs with the same ratio of success and one sub attempt.
Normally octagon control is considered as well as pressing the fight, i think thats goes to gsp in most of the rounds.
I def give gsp 2 rounds but have to re-watch the fight. I defiantly dont see any reason for outrage. I think if gsp hadn't said hes is taking time off or whatever then dana wouldn't have even mentioned the decision.
Now if fights were scored based on damage (like we MRI'ed both fighters or something afterwards) then of course hendricks would have won. I thought he was being wishful when he started walking around like he won for sure. People say you have to decisively beat the champ.
I hope GSP gets counseling for his alien abductions and they fight again.
Dana thought he just lost one of his biggest cash cows.
Have to agree with Aaron. Based on how a fight is meant to be scored I thought it was a lot closer than people are saying. Definitely wasn't the worst robbery in ufc history.
Also I have noticed GSP ALWAYS looks like he has been in a car crash after his fights. It is pretty clear he bruises/damages very easily, unlike a BJ Penn or Anderson Silva that can be punched in the face a bunch of times and still look fine.
:)
Georges face/damage over his last 3 fights
http://i40.tinypic.com/hs0wt5.png
Fights need to be subjective, no one is the same. Fight meteric will never be able to tell you someones ability to take damage, heart, control of the range, sweeps, passes, footwork, angles, aggression (doesn't always mean with strikes), etc. There will always be components of a fight a pure stat will not be able to measure, at least for now.
Love Chael's little blurbs after he gets beat up.
It's hard to be the champ that long, pressure must be insannnneeeeee.
Hendricks was rightfully frustrated and upset.
Where was Rory?
Yeah that's why I'm up in the air about the fight. I know that GSP landed a lot more shots. He was more accurate. As far as takedowns, my memory's rusty, but I think they both landed equally. GSP has a lot more variety in his strikes as well. It's not his fault that he shows damage easily.
But at the same time, Hendricks landed the harder shots. Hendricks was the only one who looked comfortable and out of danger.
It's a closer fight than a lot of people think. One judge scored damage. Two judges scored points.
I personally think hendricks won. But hearing Gsp say "i left my soul in there" at the end and he got all choked up made me sad. I think he wants to retire, because he know he got a lucky judge decision, and I believe he knows he cant beat Big Rig the second time.
I've watched too much Pride.. My eyes and ears are still bleeding, and I don't feel like debating the verdict. I'm too sad. :'( The system is flawed... Flawed! *Runs away crying*
Even metrics are subjective. Thats why hendricks won by metrics, "power shots" are weight more heavily. How you determine the amount of power in a strike is extremely subjective, they also look at damage like cuts from elbows and weight that for all the following rounds based on the assumption that the damage will affect the fighters through out the fight.
I think the goal should be to eliminate subjectivity as much as possible but it will always be a factor given the nature of our reality.
I would give ability to take damage, heart, control of the range, sweeps, passes, footwork, angles, aggression all to GSP but im not sure that means he should have won, I just dont know.
http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/ru...regulations#14
Power punches actually are not weighed more.
Quote:
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.
So honestly, after a brief read through the judging regs, I can see how 2 judges scored for GSP. GSP landed more. From my recollection, there were def some rounds where he ran away with the score as far as strikes go.
As of right now, the judging is points based, not damage based. So a feather fisted fighter can out point you for 3 rounds, almost get KO'd in two rounds, and still win. This isn't pride. C'est la vie.
Are fight metrics used in judging? Cuz even though that link is from the UFC, I've located the same info in regard to judging.
Are you saying Hendricks looked comfortable because he was stupid? I felt like Hendricks looked comfortable because he felt like he was in control and he was winning. Honestly, I think Hendricks looked comfortable because he didn't feel any danger, not cuz he's dumb. He took clean shots from GSP and wasn't phased. He stuffed some TD's. Doesn't seem dumb to me.
fight metric are in a way used in judging but UFC doesn't use them or tabulate them the same way that the website i linked does. For one the judges have to interpret the metrics after each round vs watching the fight in slow mo to analyze for data. I read over the explanation on how fightmetric.com determines their TPR (ufc doesnt even use this) quickly but there seems to be a lot of diff between the two.
Yes i do think that relying on your chin as opposed to using good footwork and head movement is stupid regardless of whether or not you have the chin to take it or the opnt has weak strikes, one day they will add up. I dont think he looked comfortable, I think he looked slack-jawed and wide-eyed but unafraid, I dont think GSP looked uncomfortable in the stand up either. Turns out he was not in danger but that can change in a second so why fight like you opnt presents no danger? Thats dumb.
They both had the same ratio of take down attempts stuffed 50% GSP had 3 successful out of 6 and Hendrix 2 out of 4.
This was not GSP at his best, hes fucked mentally for some reason and i feel that the increased muay thai hurt his stand-up (not that im against muay thia but its not for everyone game especially if you replace things with it instead of adding it to your arsenal) because he used less circling which would have been important with hendrix and he had poor head movement opting instead to cover up and never used any of the kicks i was hoping to see.
My point was that feeling comfortable is not an indication of anything important, especially if you consider a relaxed use of good stand-up skills/practices an indication of being comfortable.
I don't know why everyone is saying GSP was off because of something mental outside the fight, he wasn't strong because Johny laid some power on him.
If anything outside the fight had any influence, it would be that this was his first fight where they did testing during the camp.
Aaron. When you take someones best shot, and it doesn't phase you, that gives you confidence, it doesn't make you stupid. Not so much relying on your chin as it is giving you the confidence to be less conservative and open up. A jab or straight at 60% compared to a gun of any caliber.. really?
Because you brought a gun into the equation. I didn't get it because it was a shitty metaphor. A cow isn't stupid, its a cow. A gun is a killing machine. A weak punch is what it is.
I also think the fight outcome is waaay overhyped. Just like Jones/Gustafsson. Any time you come even close in a decision on a dominant champ, this will insue.
Hello?! I also brought the cow into the equation so my question still stands.
Having grown up around cattle i assure you that they are stupid compared to other animals of their type, not that it is necessary for cattle to be stupid other than to the point that they cannot recognize certain dangers for the metaphor to work. It is an excellent metaphor illustrating that confidence can often arise simply from the inability to perceive danger. As in most metaphors the point is exaggerated through the choice of parallel aspects.
honestly is was more like a simile but not phrased in the classic way with a comparative term such as "like" or "as", in this context you might consider it an analogy. In any case the potential destructive force of the gun need not be equal in scale to a punch for the expression to work, in fact normally one purposely choose to exaggerate theses aspect in order to make the point more clear.
Fair enough. You are articulate I'll give ya that. I am missing your point though. I know you spar yes? Quick question. Ever had a fight, mma, boxing, or kickboxing?
I have taken a guys best Sunday punch before. He threw it like he was trying to hit the other side of the pond with a rock. It landed flush. I didn't wanna take another one, but I gained confidence. I was fine. Ended up taking several more and gained confidence with every one. Not bragging, just trying to convey. Make sense? Have you ever experienced this?
for the record id always prefer to be right than articulate. :)
Of course we all gain confidence when we see that our opnts aren't throwing ko blows but my point (which i think i made clear above) is that that confidence should not translate to doing things like dropping your hands, not moving your feet or generally employing less skill in the defensive areas of the fight than you would otherwise. Even if you survive the blows and win they maybe making you more likely to get ko'ed in the future.
You seems to think that i dont understand the thinking, i simply dont agree with it.
I haven't had sanctioned amateur mma fights, ive had matches in TKD and won a kickboxing tournament with 3 matches and have had "sparing" sessions in boxing which were hate fueled and nasty and had to get stopped by other people but thats it. My coach wont set me up a fight unless i can do a proper camp and i can only do that during summer break but that is also when i make my money working in the hills. Hope to fight after this degree in a bit over a year.
My point is that the perception of confidence in a fighter (which may come from nothing more than a couple taunts, sometime actually inspired by lack of confidence) is not an indication of anything valuable as far as judging a fight. In fact confidence can arise from ignorance, stupidity or simply chemicals(emotions).
Quit editing your shit:) If it was only grammatical errors fine, but your changing the whole tone of the convo by it.
Taking risks and opening up more than you usually would because you aren't worried about your opponents power and not protecting yourself are two completely different things. He didn't Silva out there. Which was different because he never felt Weidman out. Just assumed. That's stupid.
I make edits before you reply. look at the edit times and the times of your post. What did i edit that wasn't just adding a missing "s" or something? The one and only edit that i made other than spelling (not even grammar) was to add,
for the record id always prefer to be right than articulate.
to the above post. I dont see how that changes the tone of the whole conversation.
I dont know how to make this aspect of the discussion pertain to GSP v hendricks because like i said earlier i didn't see any sign of general confidence on hendriks part. Granted i dont look for that. Not sure what you mean by opening up since hendrix threw with full power, far as i could tell from the start. Dont both fighters normally "open up" after the first 30 seconds or so? You cant be implying that this is because they both feel ok that they other guy didn't ko them with the first few strikes?
Im typing on a phone and i dont want bad misspellings here for the whole world to see for all of time.
in post 26 i removed "i guess you didn't read my earlier post" but that wasn't even addressed to you.
if the moderate can somehow show all my edits then i welcome it.
fuck!! see that i misspelled moderator and im not even using a phone now. I would normally edit it but i guess for you i'll just deal with it.
I only have 9 fingers man.
also i see you might not know what rhetorical means, i wasn't looking for an answer. These four post could have been one with editing. I dont understand how people can just write the same way they speak.
Now the thread is destroyed with this back and forth between you and I and regardless if either us is right or wrong we both look stupid.
Im banning myself from posting until January. Sorry everyone this is embarrassing.
My brother only has 2 full fingers:) That's awesome.
"Hello?" Was the one I was referring to. Do what you want. Don't assume I don't know things dude. Rhetorical is a spell to summon velociraptors at Hogwarts.
Don't get defensive. You seemed like the type that could handle a discussion.
Wait.. that's rhetoricous. Yeah, I don't know what rhetorical means.
Embarrassing yourself every now and then is liberating. I do it often. Inadvertently.
yeah but i left the hello even though I didnt like how it sounded after reading it. How did you even know i was going to remove it?
when i make an edit like that its only because it is really hard for me to express a friendly tone in these discussions without a bunch of smiley faces and i want to be on good terms with everyone here. Just like with the rhetorical thing, how can i have said that without it sounding demeaning? Many adults seriously dont know what that means and you did reply to be fair.
i dont mean to be defense other than to say i dont think i edited anything that changed the tone, im just pissed at myself for not being able to express things with the tone i intend and allowing my own interest in this side topic to overwhelm and destroy a thread.
I didn't want to be rude by not replying but im talking some time off the forum. Even though I try not to give grappling advice I post a lot here for someone that's not even in the system. Reading other peoples threads and not replying for a while might help me be more concise when I do come back.