Lockdown Weight Limit?

I'm wondering if any of you feel there is a weight limit where you would not attempt to use the Lockdown or Whip Up, or if there are specific tips you have to offer for going against heavier opponents?

I was rolling with a friend of mine last night, he's only a few inches taller than me but outweighs me by about 110-120 lbs. I was able to use my Lockdown to take him off his base, and make it so he wasn't able to put his full weight on me, but I could not whip him up, and had a hard time getting onto my side until he gave me space. Oddly enough though, I did manage to hit a 5-0 sweep on him when I tried whipping down and managed to get a two on one on his forearm. I mostly went from Lockdown to Stomp/Super Stomp, then butterfly sweeps with him instead.

Anyway, any tips you all have to offer for using Lockdown against bigger opponents would be appreciated. Thanks.

I am an avid lockdown player on anybody within 40 lbs of me. Anything above that I play I traditional knee torque half as it allows me to get on my side more, and eventually get deeper under my opponent

I've found that it's easier to get a lockdown on heavier guys since they generally tend to wanna smash you rather than slice through your guard. The hard part is getting on your side. If you can get double underhooks and get to the electric clinch, there's almost always a path that opens up. I've been playing with deep-half guard lately after getting Bernardo Faria's DVD and his sweep has been super high percentage. Deep half is always an option, but overall just not getting put flat on my back is my primary concern, usually.

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Originally Posted by DocDan84

I mostly went from Lockdown to Stomp/Super Stomp, then butterfly sweeps with him instead.

Anyway, any tips you all have to offer for using Lockdown against bigger opponents would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Lately I've found the mini stomp very useful when a guy gets up on his foot, as is it's purpose. But sometimes the mini stomp can't collapse his base, and a deep half entry opens up. But throwing deep half into the mix has started to open things up for me and kept me a step ahead of a lot of teammates, now that they're getting used to the electric chair series.

You can try pressing your elbow against his throat to create just enough space to explode towards the other leg.

You should video it, in case some technique could be improved upon. Ive whipped up a guy that was 300+ when weighing around 180-190. Your weight might matter some. When I weigh 190ish my strength to weight ratio seems higher than when I weigh 160. Like I can deal with a guy 25 pounds heavier than me a lot easier when I weigh 190 than when Im 155 and a guy is 25 pounds heavier. Maybe I just need to stay at a lower weight longer and build more muscle.... Anyways, yeah, video it

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Originally Posted by Sean Marshall

You should video it, in case some technique could be improved upon. Ive whipped up a guy that was 300+ when weighing around 180-190. Your weight might matter some. When I weigh 190ish my strength to weight ratio seems higher than when I weigh 160. Like I can deal with a guy 25 pounds heavier than me a lot easier when I weigh 190 than when Im 155 and a guy is 25 pounds heavier. Maybe I just need to stay at a lower weight longer and build more muscle.... Anyways, yeah, video it

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I will see if I can get a video of it. As of this morning I was 184 lbs, and like I said, he's pushing 300 lbs. Maybe I just wasn't get my legs into it enough, who knows.

Thanks for the input so far, everybody.

Keep at it. Practicing on someone that much bigger than you is really gonna sharpen your technique.

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Originally Posted by Tom Carbone

Keep at it. Practicing on someone that much bigger than you is really gonna sharpen your technique.

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I totally agree. It really pushed me to focus on timing and technique to get him moving and sweep him.

I've noticed, for me, that the bigger the opponent, the less I'm able to play a straight forward lockdown game. I usually have to mix it up, pimp arming to full guard, and switching back to half guard, and immediately using the Omaha whip. Sometimes I don't even wait till the lockdown is in to Omaha whip, cause getting on my side right away is vital for success against big dudes. Often I don't even engage in any type of clinch until I'm set up to get into pdu straight away (latching onto a leg as he's passing for instance). So basically looking for lockdown entries in which getting to pdu immediately is key for me. Once I get to pdu, I like to dipset. This makes them lose control of their balance enough to allow me to sweep them in a specific direction.

I try not to bother with lockdown if I'm gonna be flat on my back against a big dude. Bad news bears. I'd rather play open so as to stay mobile and either look for an entry like I already stated, or look for legs/back takes.

I don't descriminate. I tend to whip straight to electric unders.

I am 160lbs and I regularily roll with guys that are 230 or higher. I know it's not the same weight spread, but my philosophy with Lockdown and whipup against immovable opponents is not to actually lift them with the whipup motion, but just to upset their center of balance enough that they have to at least base their hands.
Then it becomes a game of moving my body out from under them and getting to my side. Instead of moving them, I squeeze myself out from under them. But if they are too big and unsweepable, I always end up using stomps and reclaiming butterfly guard, then either work Gogo clinch or get back to our knee wrestling, because big dudes lose balance pretty quickly if you know how to knock them over.

As a bigger guy I can say for near certain two things... One is that unless there is just some kind of crazy prohibitive strength descrepancy to go with the weight difference (and even perhaps then if the technique is picture perfect) you CAN whip up. I'm a super heavyweight, and I think FAIRLY a technical, and I've had Chad who I think weighs in somewhere between lightweight and middleweight if I were guessing whip up pretty effectively agaisnst me, I've allso had my coach who I outweigh by A LOT whip me up like I was going to go through a wall.
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I'm still always happy to be in half guard, particularly with no knee shield in, because I can often flatten a guy out and put a lot of pressure on them, and try to shake the lockdown or even submit from inside half. Point is, if you let a guy that much bigger than you get their weight down on top of you its gonna be tough, so don't get discouraged. I personally don't think the whip up that's the hard part (you have a mechanical advantage for the whip up) it's getting off your back. If lockdown is the game you wanna play I suggest keeping after it, cause it can be done it's just gonna be tough at times, but when you get to where you can get the space, then whip up and get in a good side position with a guy that much bigger, guys in your own weight class will be easy.
Just my 2 cents from the other side of the coin.

Lockdown pdu can work vs large weight difference, but like others have said, getting on your side so you better deal with their pressure is the main goal. Whether you go butterfly half, lockdown, deep half, any type of guard, you have to avoid getting flattened at all costs. Get on your side and get out from under them asap. If you are flattened, you are going to have a bad time.

Angry Rainbow is what I use and I've been pretty successful so far.I competed against a guy who weighed in at 347lbs.at NAGA last year and it helped me tremendously